BS High | A 50% Facts review

0:09 B S high. I don't even know where to start being high. Mutually, that's not my name. Ray fuck thet. Yeah, Roy is a bit of a roller coaster in the documentary, But imagine trying to deal with that guy in person. I don't think it'd be that hard. I have no yeah, well yeah, we have two Yeah, I don't. I don't think in person you realize it because it's not he's not like all humans. Obviously these things edited, but then he sat down at that interview for six hours and ends up self incriminating. But if you so, but if you deal with him in spurts, I don't think he's weird. I think he's actually probably dope maybe. So that's the only way it works. Well, I mean yeah, it's the only way it works because because you can't be a con man without charisma, and he's actually he's funny and he and and I could one one hundred percent see those kids being like, oh yeah, we about that money, We about this, you know the first fun fact that I just blew my brains. We'll dive into actual story, but that blew my brains. Is I am g making eighty million dollars a year?

1:14 Oh yeah? Black. Is that coming from high school academy for I think it's a prep school. Yeah, it's a prep school for people who want to go to D one programs. Yeah, I mean prep school has been a thing forever, pretty started, I feel like getting really popular when we were in high school. A lot of basketball players that didn't want to do the Juco route would kind of go there. You had bad grades or bad upbringing, but you're skilled as hell. On the West Coast, you'd go to a juco, especially particular ones that they would like hide your ass in. I don't know how, but like Uba City used to be one for basketball here. They would just grab these like D one talents out of nowhere. And I'm like, how bad are your grades that you can't go to any D one because you're a fucking freak athlete. But prep school is super normal on the East Coast. But eighty million a year, my man, they got bought and they got three bill Yeah. My my nephews went to a prep school in Virginia. And you know how in California, when you go to a regular California school, you're probably your high school counselor has already given up on you. By the time you get get to your senior year. I mean maybe, but maybe not. You know, they don't really know you in any specific way or whatever. It is not like that, like they work with you on your college applications. They help you keep to the deadlines. They help you by contacting people through their network at the

2:46 school you want to go to. Private high schools out here like that. Probably so mine was pretty good. But this, I mean, their placement rate is so high at the school that they I won't I won't shout it out, but yeah, I thought, I think, I bet you like the Jesuits in the country days, the school I went to, they're all kind of like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, Like my my my teacher knew exactly what school I could probably get into. She talked about my basketball coach knew exactly what school I could probably play at. Probably not she wasn't her son's played basketball. But it's not like she's a recruiting agent. But she had a scope of where I could play, a scope of where my GPA and this act and ship would get me. Worked with me pretty good. Junior college I had even out here was crazy experience like that because the team had a like a tutor, and they would lock you in. They'd end up. You know, we had mandatory like two hours in the library every day where you had to study, and she would walk around and like literally help you with anything you need. Like that was cool. And even pre school she would sit down with you and they basically scheduled your classes for you because it had to fit around sports. So she would dial all that in, which was really nice because I like scheduling for school. It's because I did on my own afterwards when I stopped playing. It's like such a pain in the ass, right, Like what's full, what's waitlisted? How do you fit in the hours? What your gees actually are like at a junior college, it's a fucking train wreck. So to have that playing basketball that she got me all the courses that I needed and fit them around my basketball schedule and made them like as convenient as she could. I was on campus fucking twelve hours a day. Yeah. The classes are all over the

4:19 place. Yeah yeah, And so you're fucked either way, like playing playing any college sport, if your school is legitimate and made you go to class or high school, I guess, because in this case, you don't go to class. But in most places you have to go to class. You're you're on campus twelve hours a day, like you're fucked, No, you're they're all there. Yeah, but I amg think blew my brains. But also it makes sense, like that eighty mill though, where the fuck is that coming from? They have one ESPN game, Like, so if you're taking sponsors, like, what's your justification? You know, like normally your justification for sponsors his eyes, all right, but you're on ESPN once or stadiums are filled up. Yeah, that's true. They had big stadiums are filled up, And what do you think those tickets costs? They're more than norm Yeah, probably fifty sixty bucks. That's what I was thinking, because a football game here, you're paying ten twenty to your boosters. Going up there, you might be paying fifty to one hundred, So maybe that's it.

5:12 Yeah, their stadium's probably ten thousand plus. It's not NFL, but it's probably ship Ton more than here for sure. That's crazy though. Though I saw that number and I was trying to calculate some shit in my brain, I'm like, I just don't get it. I think about like, dude, like say that stadium's packed fill right, and their stadiums set up like a college stadium, right, Yeah, it's like a missing right, like a sax City stadium. It's probably like a junior college. Yeah, you know, like sax City has a great football stadium. Yeah, some of those or like our soccer pro soccer team. Right, it's probably like anywhere from three to ten thousand people. Yeah, for prep schools. And you think that they probably bring in you know, six figure concessions per game. Yeah, I means sales. Maybe these people are about it all. They're buying all the merch for sure. If if your kids go there, your relative goes there, like you're buying all the merch they're selling. They're probably selling millions and millions of dollars of merch alone. Because it is a team of future NFL players, correct, Like it is. It is the all Star team. It is the monstars. And then they're getting all the funding from uh past, you know, parents that are trying to get their kids in past, guys that were in the NFL already, Like what do you think, So what do you think it would cost? Like, say, your kids like pretty good and you want to be on that team and they know you got money, Like, what are they going to take for a donation to get him on that team even if he's not starting, Because what the value is of being being attached to that school? I think we're talking like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars like one. I think that line with at least an IMG in particular, I think that line's actually smaller than you think because they have to win. Yeah, but like what about but the only that wants to sit the bench? And pretty good? But still just like Bama, you know, like, I don't think you can pay

6:43 your way to be on some of those teams because they don't need you anymore. They don't, right, because the best kid's gonna come and and maybe they'll make even the best kid pay. So I don't I don't disagree that maybe they're paying, but I don't think you can sneak in no more because it's so competitive, it's such a business. I wonder where the education has nothing to do with it. There's there's no benefit from being attached to me, no scholarship prep school and you hear about that. That's why I wonder if nil rules started tapping too prep schools because prep schools is like a gray area between college and high school. Like high school, you still can't get a sponsorship because you're not eighteen. But I wonder if you're eighteen in high school and you can. Yeah, I don't know the rules. My college.

7:24 Now you can do whatever the fuck you want pretty much except to pay, except to pay you to play. Yeah, but you can pay you for anything else. Yeah. So the dealer we're talking about IMG because it is the thing that this Roy dude attempted to the model that he attempted to emulate. But he did not have the money and he was and he didn't have the time or the talent or the talent school. He's not a football coach. He really didn't have anything. He didn't have any which makes him so genius. Yeah, he's what makes its own. He created one program that got just crapped on any out of the not even you know, burned up ashes of that program started Bishop Sycamore. Yeah, Uh, Academy of Christ or someone was the first name something of. I don't know, academy, I see it, I see something, Yeah it was there was I thought it was Academy of AOC. Yeah, Academy of Christ I don't know it was, so supposedly this guy started to fill you guys in because I'd never heard the story, which kind of blew online that I've never heard the story because I guess it was on ESPN and SHIP, but I don't have ESPN. So this guy starts a Christians of Faith Academy Christians of Faith CUF.

8:48 So he this guy was working in football here and there, He had a stint being an intern in the NFL, etcetera, etcetera. But he ends up basically doing some type of job for a church. Yea, he was. He was a Christian man, works for a church. Then the church Chris, there's air quotes around Christian here. Wow. Yeah, I mean he's Christian, whether he follows the rules, that's the world we're in. So he uh gets approached. It sounds like from the school first, so starting a type of academy, a real school from the church and to lead maybe the sports and the school and the football team because he had some football past from there. Who knows who you're going to believe? That I think is probably some type of fact, right. The school maybe brought it up in conversation, but it could have just been up brought up in conversation rather than like, Hey, we're doing this and this guy what he hear it is or hear it is, we are doing this and from then on just sprints and basically makes his own football prep team, switching names, living in hotels, stealing food, stealing, kicking the kids, steal food.

9:56 Yeah, you are like inadvertently because I don't think he made them. I just think he didn't feed them and then they had to eat. I think he did tell them to steal. I don't know if he made them, but my impression was that he did tell them too. My impression from that was just that he wouldn't feed them for days and they had to do something. Yeah, we're stuck somewhere, so I amg Academy that is what he was trying to base this on is a prep boarding school in Bradenton, Florida. It started off as a tennis academy in nineteen seventy eight and then they added golf. Why is this always tennis? One of the famous one is AIS in Australia. That's where like all the pro athletes from the NBA and stuff like Patty Males, my buddy clint A bunch of people went there.

10:39 But I think it started as tennis in Australia and it's similar except in Australia, I think the rules are a little looser, so it's literally called like Australia Institute of Sport, and so at least they're like, don't lie about it, Like I think you go to class, you know, but you basically go to a boarding school in high school and you're there to play basketball. It seems like more people who played tennis have money, not all of it. That's why it starts. But I think the same thing correct because it's cost so much to travel and de tournaments. It's like you can't do it if you're not rich. Right. The other thing that blows my mind too, and it's just like on a side concept is America. When you ask them culturally what's most important, many will say sports are important, and some have like some legitimate foundational reasons, right, like teamwork, communication, physical activity, all that, which I think is important. But they also just know that it's so embedded in our culture to be athletic and to be the best. Yet we're the only country that tries to hide it under the umbrella of education, where every other country, they just separate them and are more upfront about it. Like Europe, it's super normal to go professional athlete and to skip high school when you're thirteen if you're really good at basketball or football. You think he was going to class, Yeah, he'd know.

11:52 He literally signed his first pro contract to like Barcelona when he's fifteen, and they just play in the juniors. Basketball players alike, like basketball players all the time go professional there at Luca I think played his first professional game in Europe when he was like sixteen. Like, there's no way he's going to school anymore. At least they're upfront about it and don't have to lie. We're here for whatever, like fake optic moral obligation that education comes first. Here we lie about it. Like why, well, because you just said the optics of it. Yeah, but like why when when we already have said, like we don't really care if do we care if Tom Brady has a geed or a high school degree, No, no, we don't.

12:35 We should care about the people who are on the fringes, who if they don't have the education and they're not gonna make it in pro sports. Sure, that's I mean, that's some of the focus, but some of it's like clear. But at the same time, we don't We don't really promote vocational schools either, because they're not academic. I just think that we have such a focus as a society on academics, right, that's my point. Yeah, but like why I don't know what we do? Yeah, I know it's not working. No, I mean because it's like if it worked, if we prove that we're like have the most educated, and most of these educated work into productive jobs and get good careers and live a good life, all right, then we have the map, but like the maps not clear how many people have degrees or broke as shit? So then like, yeah, why fake it if we know even in the NBA you can't do it anymore, like you can't go high school to the pros like Kobe and Kevin Garnett and them, and like, yeah, there are the sad stories that pop up, but there's also like you just know sometimes too, like this kid's this kid's only goal or like only chance to make it, make it is to be a pro athlete. So why are we going to make them like force him to your calculus and kill himself in school when that's not what he's made for. That's a fair point, you know, like if we give him the tools, he could be successful over here. And I agree the same thing with vocation. I think vocation was great. Like, all right, this kid cannot sit down and do math. Let's teach this fucking kid how to cook because he likes to cook. Like, why are

14:07 we forcing this? Well, it's like college, right, like like over and like let's say it overseas, right or in Europe and all that's like there is no like general education and it's called high school. It's like literally like you go to college to do your trade or your job. It's basically just trade school. Yeah, because that's what all college really kind of is, is trade school for maybe like a desk jobs. Stupid. The g shit's like fucking waste of time. It's all about money, though it should be high schooling You there for more more years, to get more tuition, to get more money, and that's all that's about. They don't really give a shit about you doing algebra again. They just know that they're gonna get paid for it. If our high school is good enough, you should have all the ge you ever need, correct and then you should go and learn something that produces money for a company or yourself. I half the reason why I even dropped out of college was because I went to college and then I started doing high school again, and I'm like, well, this is not well. I'm not doing this'na, I'm gonna go back to work. I think the problem is not really college. The problem this high school. Yeah.

15:01 Probably we probably should be banking the last two years of high school, essentially junior college. It should be. Yeah, so when you graduate from high school, if you've if you're on an academic track, when you graduate from high school, you have a high school diploma and you have an associate's degree, and then you can spend two more years or you know whatever. Your your choice is getting a bachelor's degree in college and you don't have to repeat a bunch of bullshit that really, all it does is make education more expensive. Boy, And to talk about, like you said, the counselors like that should be their real job is to find out what you're good at and what you enjoy in high school to place you in a position to be successful. What's next. Yeah, but they're not to say, like, hey, you can't get into Stanford. You're an idiot. It's right.

15:50 Oh, oh, we saw that you are really good at cooking. There's the chef school that's taking applicants right now, and you'd probably do great there because they place a lot of people in real restaurants. Yeah, that should be your job, is like to actually consult them on how to get somewhere. I think maybe a part of the problem with that model is that it is hard for teenagers, even kind of late teenagers, to come up with realistic goals and feel like they know where they want to go. But that can all be fixed. If we're vamp on the program, then you have exposure to more jobs, you have exposure to more activities, you have exposure to like like even here, we have a kid from my Hogwarts school coming in and they have something called Exploration Week. I don't know what they call it anymore, but it's basically a week where you go do a job.

16:33 And so the kid's gonna come in here and work for us for a week. He's a senior in high school. It gets an idea of what running a gym actually is because everyone thinks you're gonna be doing curls all day. Sorry, buddy, you're gonna be cleaning toilets with sea bass all day. I guess that's what running a gym ass. Yeah, you know, And so like you get an actual and I even did that. I did a followed a lawyer around, a great lawyer, really cool guy who was excelm and he took me to like crime scenes. He took me into court each of these they was sick. He drove me. He drew me down to the hood. He said, yeah, man, we had a gang fight here and this is this is a case I handled that was a shoot off. And he's like showing me around. People were looking at us like crazy and like but he's like, but I have to come here, and so shit, you know. But like I got a real taste of what he does. Yeah, not what you probably thought it was originally. Right.

17:17 Yeah, So this school basically just had no schooling at all. Yeah, there was there was no academic program, there was no facility, there was no attempt. There was no attempt. There was no They were supposed to be feeding these these folks, and they were doing it so intermittently because there was no money. He was smart though, right, So this cat would call the grocery store ordered twenty rotisserie chickens at noon twenty five or whatever. Yeah, and not not not pick them up right and then come back eight hours later when he knew they were on discount of grab him for a buck genius. I never even knew they had discounted him, Like, I didn't even know you could order him like that. I just thought what was there was there, and that's only good, like one that's only works one time, though, right or one st man, Yeah, you're just hopping costs?

18:03 How many times you think he actually did that? Though? I don't know. I don't know. It's a good story whether or not it's I believe it. It's wholly true. I bet you it's pretty true. And then you, yeah, he found like other holes and things like that. I just don't. I'm still honestly like, I feel like I was very confused for how he got away with all this shit, how he continues to get out with it, and how he's like still thinks he's gonna keep going. That part's actually insane. Well he's literally insane. No he is. But I'm telling you, sociopath. I've met people and I'll mention an affair because one that I know is like this, you guys aren't thinking. But I've met people like this that are literally they just take the scammiest way, even though the scammiest way is harder than doing things legitimately harder and less sustainable.

18:52 Yeah, and less chance of success, less chance of anything. Like people I know people that will take this scammy way because they think they're getting one up and they think it's easier because they think it's easy, but it's actually fucking harder. They got to keep up with all that all that ship. They say, what's the quote like, if you always tell the truth, you never have to remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's the thing. I just don't So basically what he did, what he did wasn't illegal, which is apparently not, which is crazy, like, but they're they're they're probably is loopholes in the legality that they didn't touch on, like taking kids out of schools illegal but they didn't have a school to go to. They did have their public school. Yeah, but now they were out, so like making some some some for sure, we're twenty five, but but taking a underage person out of school is illegal.

19:42 They didn't even talk about that being illegal or not. What they talked about is making a fake school is not illegal, which he did. Yeah, okay, but then all the other things are illegal, right, like the and he did get charged for the hotel fines and all his all his money laundering type shit. That's obviously ill. But what the OHSA couldn't get him for wasn't illegal. But but taking a seventeen year old out of school and promising them they're going to school is illegal. Yeah, he made it seem like he tried to save himself. He's like he tried to explain himself, like these kids had nowhere to go. I gave them a place to go. What's wrong with me? Right? And it's like, well, you fucking lied to them, led to their parents, led to their parents, You had no money, you had no skill or knowledge of the sport of football. Obviously it's hindsight, but to see some of the kids interviews was really sad because it felt so authentic, like, oh that was sad.

20:45 The the grown ass men too, you know, and they're like this one kid said like I've never cried before, and he's fucking yeah. I felt so bad for Yeah, that sucks. But the scene where where this royal guy and the other coach or why watching the video of this guy just breaking down, it's like, basically, you destroyed my life. Well, number one, you can revive your life. It's just not going to be what you think it was going to be. You're not gonna you're not gonna play in the NFL, or do you want already wasn't going it already wasn't going. But he was given false hope. Correct, he was given a lot of false hope. And and they are unfazed, particularly that roy guy is fucking almost laughing, like mad at it and then mad and then yeah, it's like, oh, we did so much for him. It's like apparently you didn't. Like I mean, there's if If that's the case, if you did that much for him, then there's a whole bunch of the story that we're not being told or that you didn't tell. I think the problem with you know, uh, sociopaths, narcissists like like this guy is that is that he's convinced himself though that he was helping them, when in reality we all know like he's this was all a ploy for him to become famous and to be in the spotlight. Like he's always wanted, but he's convinced himself that he was helping these people by lying to them and giving them a fucking shitty hotel room to stay in that he wasn't paying for. It's like, no, you weren't helping anybody. You were just inconveniencing these people.

22:10 They weren't helping anyone you were. You were kind of giving this like job of keeping them somewhat alive at the most minimal level, and like giving them this like dream that's not real, Like that's not helping anyone. You're actually like not helping anything. Any eviction notices and eviction filings being actually on the kids names. Yeah, he was using their names. And then the whole fucking p PP loan shit. Yeah crazy, Yeah that part. So the beginning of this did seem like Disneyland scam, like very like minimal all right, I'm gonnake him out of school, I'm gonna lie, We're gonna go win some football games. And then you start to dive in and that he's getting paid, that he's making these kids pay him, although he's saving their life from the hood and he's making their parents take out loan. Oh you can't pay for their schooling, don't worry about it. There's these things PPP loans and you can pay me with that. How much money did this motherfucker make from this? He's saying he made none. He had to write like if he made every kid pay twelve k from loans into his pocket and then he's not paying the hotels, he's not paying the food, like he had to make money somewhere. Well. I think that's where I was confused, Like they kind of talked about these things and never like proved or disproved, like if those those PP loans went through or if you got him, like they just never like followed up on that. But he and the kids that have to share helmets. But he's got a brand new Nike drive fit with his logo on it. Where was he? Like what was it?

23:27 Okay? I kind of got confused, Like it was like I was like kind of with the kids, and like it was on what was the part with the life insurance policies at the very beginning, I think one hundred thousand dollars life insurancy policy the church was doing or something that they were getting a ton of money from at the very beginning, so the church ran a scam. It sounded like that you would take out a life insurance policy and part of the payment that would normally go to your spouse or kids when you died, they would have you, which actually, isn't that scammy? Like if you really believe in your church and community that you would take a percentage of that and put it in your trust, that it would go to the church.

24:08 So basically, and that's I think that's kind of normal. Maybe it's normal for church stuff or like or even rich people, right, like if they're like, if they're really about drunk driving, So I would make my life insurance go, you know, sixty percent to my kids and forty percent to the research of cancer or something like. I think that's kind of normal. It's just that it was being run by scam artists that make it felt really bad. So then okay, so right, and then I think that's what they did. And then he was getting some of that money for this team. I think then that ran out really quick because that only lasts that in relationship lasted like what six months? Yeah, because the church cut him off quickly because they realized they were doing Yeah, I don't know, man, he's then he hit the end of the interview, and obviously it's edited, so who knows if it was actually the end of the interview or they just put it the movie. He goes on like a joker thing. He's like laughing with his eyes all a little bow and his man's big smile.

25:00 Yeah. He's like, oh, but you're talking about me. More TVs on the way, more kids are gonna be helped, And I'm like, bro, you're fucking do you think anybody's gonna go to your school? He's somewhere, he's somewhere between and this isn't as racially is it my sound, but he's somewhere between get out and fucking joke. Yeah, he's fucking yeah yeah. And he's like, oh, Michael Stranghand called me and yeah, yeah, yeah, my big plans. You thought I lost, But I'm friends with Michael Strahand. He's so yeah. Michael Strahan's production company was involved in this, Yeah, along with obviously the director's Trayvon Free and Martin Desmond Row, Adam McKay's Hyper Object Industries, Spencer Payger's Mortgage or More More Street Productions, Boat Rocker Media, and the Athletic produced this documentary for HBO Sports, So he was he's so delusional that he set like straight the straighthand relationship is gonna like project him. He's gonna end up on ESPN Sports Center with us. You never even you were using kids were making up place from Madden on the field. That is so insane, which is like, probably not that crazy because Madden probably uses real plays. They do, but the point is, like, you're not a coach. Yeah they have. I wish they would have touched more on the fact that he had zero experience coaching.

26:25 Yeah, like they kind of did, but it's like how they even run a single play? He's do you have other guys on the team that maybe knew how to coach, like or like his assistant coach seemed like he was an offensive coordinator something right when the kids were getting fun this isn't funny, but like, but it is not the kids getting hurt is isn't what's funny, but like the fact that like the kids got hurt on that game, like against these grown man and then they had no medical staff. It's his wife, mom was out there like yeah, and even the announcers were starting to say, like this because not looking good or safe anymore. You're like, and they touch on that as the documentary, like when the announcers can't fake it anymore, that these kids are I mean, they're they're actually grown man getting beat up by boys, which makes it all even funnier and worse.

27:07 Yeah, sad about funnier and worse, Like they're getting beat up by sixteen year olds. If you were really trying to do this in a legitimate way, you would have to have, Like starting any business, you can need a minimum viable product. He did not have a minimum viable product. Well, because he didn't have to have any money. Yeah, well he didn't have like a skill. Like the first thing I'm doing when I'm trying to start this is I'm either going to become the best football coach I can as myself, or I'm going to hire the best football coach I know. Right, that's step one, because then we have something to recruit with and we have a product because I have trust that this coach can whip some players into shape and we can get somewhere. Right, So, like his step one was like get a get an architect to make a one billion dollar rendering of a stud of a campus. Yeah, that was his step one.

27:57 Yeah, like, how do we look cool? Any that was never gonna happen? Yeah, how do we look cool? I don't know if you have I AMG money. Well, the thing is that I AMG didn't start with football, no, for sure, but even still like it took it was into two thousand's I think or the nineties at least before they started doing football at all. Yeah, but they probably had big money backers. Oh yeah, I'm sure that they didn't they Yeah, exactly, they had an investors, like the business models like been proven, like there is there is like but they probably bottom powered, real coach, real, they had, real facility, had years to build up how the program was going to work, and start started early recruiting before they ever played their first game. This guy was driving around neighborhoods picking up kids off the street essentially. Yeah, which he did. Like even in that like isn't the worst part either, right, because like there is potential kids out there that like can't stay in school but are talented athletes. You know, like there's ways to recruit like that. And you've heard like dream stories even like the blind Side, right, Like I know that just took a turn, but it took a dark term. But it's also like a non surprise turn, no for sure, because that even the movie alludes to it. Yeah, I was kind of like the story in the movie alludes to it, and then in the movie he lies about it and covers them up. But obviously there's some truth there.

29:10 But the point is that it's just a big old kid, really athletic, not great academy academics, and he finds a place in football, you know, So like there there are stories and truths to that. And I've known guys growing up that just literally would skip school all there, you know, like the typical story, they're just skip school all the day, but they're crazy athletes. So like recruiting all that like is like some of the smart stuff he did, you know what I mean? Because the other kids that are in the system are already they're the tim Tebows, They're they're already going to IMG, they're already getting recruited by USC. If you're if you're looking for underdog talent, maybe he's on something or just misplaced Yeah, just misplaced talent. Okay, But how hard is it to recruit degenerate kids like and promising them this fucking dream that doesn't exist. I think easy when you tell him, when you're talking to a sixteen year old, you say, you ain't got to go to class. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

30:00 You can go to a D one school. Yeah. I think that part's easy. It's sad, very Uh So he didn't really have any skills. He was just a liar. Yeah, he was a salesman. Yeah, but at least like some salesman are actually selling real products and I have like real like you don't it just because your salesman doesn't mean you're a con artist. If he if he had a moral compass and wasn't, he probably has true narcissistic personality disorder. If he doesn't have that, he's probably a really good salesman, because the only thing that makes a good salesman bast salesman is like your skill of talking to people would thrive in like in a legit scenario. That's what I mean. If he was like if you're selling cars and he had a moral compass, ye, he'd probably be the best car salesman on the planet. Yeah. Here's I didn't see this in the in the in the show and I just read it now, and it's so ironic.

30:45 The only class that they took, that they offered that the kids had to take. Only class was a religious class taught by him. Nice fucking up their moral compass too. Yeah knows what he told them, but you know it. Oh, we didn't even the fact that he ran over those uh the birds in the street as like a lesson and yeah he says like, oh, yeah, well I hit a bird and turn it to a lesson. Meanwhile, the kids like, no, he was going in reverse, like he was running it over multiple times. He said a burden. The kids like, no, it was a flock of birds, ran them over, and then backed back into all crazy people. Shit, that's joker ship.

31:26 Yeah he's a psycho. Yeah, that's joker shit. He's weird. Bro. I don't know how this story and maybe it was big news and I was just living under a rock here at the gym, but I feel like it didn't make that big a national news because it really was. It was excuse me, twenty twenty one, Yeah, that is ESPN game. Yeah, and obviously yeah, he started in like twenty nineteen. This feels like a Barbara Walters sit down with a psycho interview. That's what it should be. Yeah, Like I want Barbara Walters to fucking grill this guy. I'm shocked that we weren't seeing like the whites of his eyes above the iris, you know that. Yeah, he's that crazy dude. When the poor guy with them too, like like is he fucked up or is he just like bought in? I mean, because you can't really blame the kids either or the videographer, but you kind of can. The videographers should have figured it out. The only reason that the videographers did not do more, I think is because videographers in that circumstance never expect to make any money. It's like you're trying to make a project that will get you money in the future.

32:28 But then it was the biggest contract ever. Yeah, and they don't expect to get They don't expect to get actual like a claim or anything. I think. I think if you don't have that contract, you do. Yeah. But they said they had a contract with them for the biggest pay the day they've ever had, but they never got it. So they never got it. They got no I know, I know, but three thousand dollars of the whole thing or something like that. Sixty. But how you're talking is like is what they expect going in like as volunteer work, but they went in being pitched a contract. Yeah, that's so much different mentality. Well, that's why I'm saying, like I do blame them in some sense. My point is, though, when you promise something, trust me, I have experience on this. When you promise something and it doesn't come through, you think, well, maybe maybe it's me, Maybe I should never have believed it. Maybe it's me I didn't didn't bring enough to the table, or maybe this is just how it is when you're when you do this kind of job, sometimes you just get screwed, you know, I don't know. I just don't. I from experience, like videographers don't necessarily have the greatest self esteem to pull themselves out of shitty situation. Is definitely a common thing I've seen, like personally through like this. Being in any industry of fitness, you see a lot of people trying to make content from that, right, and you see a lot of people working hard to like working in my working my way up is just like something that's gonna pay off like down the road, is that you're kind of saying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It is funny that in twenty twenty, the second piece to building a legendary football team is a content team. Yeah right. It's

34:01 not a personal trainer. It's not a fucking quarterback coach, it's not a fucking running back coach. It's not anything to do with a product. Again, it's like, how do we just film bad football? Yeah? Yeah, we have bad football? But how do we film it? How do we make dope Instagram clip? Yeah, their little hype videos, we're pretty good. They weren't bad. And that's just like such like the capsule of where we're at in the world right now, and I hate it, right, Like, well, well, we're not good at anything. We're not going anywhere. We have no product to sell, give or show off. But let's film whatever bullshit we do have and get some likes. How do we get likes from the bullshit we have? Rather than like, how do we build a really fucking sick football team and then our highlights will come?

34:45 Like that's that's literally our culture. He went to the literally the he went to the most extreme angle on everything possible. Yeah, like as like as far as like lying in perception right, the whole like the school not being real, right, the videos of the worst football ever played film to look good, you know what I mean, Like you just went to like the fakest level possible on everything to where all together, if you looked at it, you're like, there's no way this could be fake, because how could someone fake all of this? But he somehow figured out how to fake everything. I do wonder what he's insane? What the actual talent of the kids were, because like even in the you know, the end of the dock and the end of the movie, they always say where the kids are at now? And some are still like chasing their football dream if like maybe they were like decent and just of them got some college. Yeah, one one's playing in Louisville. Louisville is not a joke if you walk on louis Yeah, I mean that's legitimate. And even the other kids are like, oh, they're still like chasing their football dreams, so they can't be bad.

35:45 Yeah, what does that mean? Though? Like the kid was working at like at a at a meat meat butchers shop and he's like chasing his football game, Like what is he doing? Is he playing? Yeah? Working out. But either way he's making meat footballs can beat footballs. Is he can become like some kind of like meat cake company, you know, is the vocational school. Maybe he's tapping him, but but like they're probably good. That's my point is that like maybe this plan is only missing a couple of puzzle pieces. Obviously a psycho leaders not one we need. But if you have like a real football coach, maybe this team can play. You don't have two kids go to Louisville. We we don't have. We have very few schools here in Zach that have that, and we have good football here. Yeah, like two kids going to a big D one school is big, and it also was pulling from a big talented area, right that.

36:30 Ohio football is like a real like like high school football is. Those kids have been playing for a long time, probably pretty good. I went to one of my dad's friends kids. I know, it's a stretch, Dad's really good friends kids game ten years ago or fifteen years ago, I don't even know, and it felt like remember the fucking Titans, bro. The whole city's out there. We're like some suburb a little bit deep from Cleveland, but it's fucking shut down. It's about the size of one of our junior college fields. There's probably, yeah, a thousand people there and it's fucking fire man like people were in jerseys and ship paint, face paint. Yeah, it was crazy. It's it's a real deal out there. There's talent everywhere, for sure. Yeah, there's talent everywhere. But then that kind of that fucked up story with the quarterback kid got suicidal. Yeah, and then then he got a got a scholarship and they got taken away because of this motherfucker. Yeah, dude, that was that was really sad.

37:23 So like, did that mean that like he was ineligible because he didn't because either that because of that. I don't understand that. That doesn't That didn't make sense to me, probably just NC two A rules and ship. But it's like, okay, but dude, this guy was a scam artist. He fucked up. Like there's no way they could like just look past that. I know it. It's up to the school, right or it might it might be n so he never got to play, Yeah, maybe not, or he has to wait an extra year. I don't know, maybe both. Oh man, I know it doesn't I didn't understand that that what the outcome was there. I think the last screens show what they're what they were doing, But I don't remember what his deal. I think they went back to him, now they didn't. I I was kind of looking for it, and I don't think they mentioned. No. I don't think they mentioned him. At the very very end. It sounded like he just lost his closed career. We didn't get to see any one of these kids play well ever. Yeah, and the whole thing that might have been like on purpose, right, That's that's I guess it was my point of like, some of these kids were good. Part of the editor, part of the edit the story is that how bad they were, but they probably weren't that bad. They get a first down on that first play against that and they lost one hundred to zero on the best team in the world. Yeah, Like I've lost by forty points in high school to like the best team in California. Like, you know, you get shit on, and I was good. I'm not an NBA. Yea, there's levels of the ship, Okay, I mean the Cowboys won by like almost forty fifty. Yeah.

38:40 If you've never got shited on, you've just never played freaks. Yeah, Yeah, that's anyone listening. That's anyone fucking listening. You've just and and people said, like dude, when we lost by forty, Like yeah, the entire roster starting five had d one offers. Yes, I got shit on the point guard started to have one he started at University Kentucky, Like yeah, I got fucking man handled. Can't we talk for a second about the fact that that the the guy who scheduled their games felt like he was still bought in in something. That's kind of what I was bringing up when I brought up the assistant coach and the filmographers and that guy, like you have to hold some responsibility for being duped that guy, Yeah, what what? Why would you just pitch these games to a school that's been around a year yeah, and has no track record? Like why why are you the matchmaker for a team? They should have to have some kind of proof of concept. And that's I guess I don't I think I read this, but maybe it was in the dock that a lot of them have trouble finding teams to play because they're too good or nobody wants to just like get theirs that could that could be they want to save face save the protect the record, So all that is important, you know, only going baseball on my experience as a coach and as a player, because we were at a very small school where I was at, but we were pretty good. So we could show up to a D two D three school and we played him in summer league and a couple in season and we'd win. You as the big school never you, choosing your who your opponent is is very important because you

40:12 don't want to lose to some little bum fuck because your record shot and obviously IMG's like top top dog, but like there's a lot of schools in Sack that wouldn't play us in the regular season because even if we if we pull an upset, your season's gone. Yeah, you know, so like having a at that level, having a matchmaker or whatever that guy's aficial battle makes sense. That makes sense because we don't have that here. Here. It's your head coach calling a head coach and trying to convince them, Hey man, you want to schedule game for December. Yeah, my team's pretty decent this year, but we're not great. So let me ask you this question, because I don't know the answer to it, and things may not even be the same now, but in high school basketball, are are in conference and out of conference games counted differently, I think, so, I know, I think they're it's kind of like a BCS ranking because then at the end of the season, at least historically I haven't coached in eight years, ten years, but historically that head coaches would have a meeting at the end of the season of the section and the people that are going to the section and kind of give a power ranking discussion. You'd you'd basically lay on the ground. Hey, you know, if I'm the coach of my school, hogwarts say hey, we beat this amount of teams, these teams had these records, this is why I think I should be ranked in the top five.

41:29 And you'd come in, hey, I well, we beat these teams preseason and regular season. This team's you know, do you one playoffs and we won and you make like a like a kind of a judicial argument of where you should be ranked. And then I think it's a voting system. Maybe there might be a BCS and maybe that's even just for conference and then here the CIAF to California whatever. In the saqua Quin Section, those people would have a board that would take your conference and then their conference and they build like a whole BCS power ranking. Okay, yeah, so they do, they do. They do. Both matter just as much here. Okay, yeah. I feel like in football, at least when I was, you know, a long time ago, some games didn't matter at all and some games absolutely matter. So you could call him a scrimmage. If you call it a scrimmage, now it's not on record, so that would happen too. It's the same with summer league. Like Monterey Trails a huge school here, they wouldn't play us in season because we put it on him in a summer league, you know, like, well, why are they going to go play hogwarts in the season and make like offseason, who gives a shit, it's just a workout. But in season now our records shot.

42:28 It's kind of weird too though, because you think about it in terms of games, but it's really more gamesmanship. It's like which games are you willing to play? Kind of especially at this high IMG level. That's why without this matchmaker, they never take this game. Right. This matchmaker must have had a really good he got BST real hard, he got bs really hard, but he must have a really good history of trust that they didn't wipe him out in the process. That too, But why why would I I AMG even listen to him in the first place, That's my point, Like you must have he must have like a long track record of trust. Yeah, it's just crazy that they picked that game and that team like that, that that that that Hall of Fame game, like of all the teams that have wanted to play that team. Yeah, they fucking picked this Bishop, Bishop Sycamore. That's what I'm saying, Tom, That's just crazy. It's had to be this matchmaker who got duped really hard. Ye, who must have had the best track record and reputation of of of trust. Like every coach in major prep school in high school must trust this matchmaker guy because no one's doing that because then the ESPN trusted them, right, like everyone trusted IMG in this matchmaker, right. Ain't nobody trusting a brand new school.

43:39 This game was early in the season. They had only played one game, but it was their second six days before. But no, oh, there was one before that, but the matchmaker guy didn't know anything about. Yes, yeah, that they were gonna play a game a day like not two days before. But it sis's first season. It was their second season, but they only played three games in their first season. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It was literally just a match They never won a game. They never won a game. It was just a matchmaker. I mean, they're like in wrestling, they're kind of a jobber, right, Yeah, but I mean what must have happened is you whip out a one one sheet fucking marketing thing BS brand new up and coming school, uh likeliness to IMG likeliness to all these schools, and you have a picture rendering of your stadium and you send that to the matchmaker, and the matchmaker believes you, and then the matchmaker sends that to ESPN, and ESPN just read your resume like, oh, brand new school, similar to I am I AMG.

44:37 All right, Well, the one guy said, the rules are not more specific because you don't think that someone's gonna right just like, you know, do an end run on him. Yeah, who's gonna make a fake school? Yeah, they're exactly. There wasn't rules, but if you hear I AMG makes eighty million, it's very likely to make a fake school. Well, I think it also like when the guy was also so confused about while there's not Russ because it's like no one benefits from that. It just him like a MG money But but like no, but no one's gonna pay to go there. If they watch, you just get obliterated long term, get hurt long term for sure. But if those p P peelos went through, what there's fifty kids on a high school football team and they're he's paying twelve k and you're not paying anything. That's a lot of That's a lot of income. All those kid all those kids, has all those kids social Security numbers? Yeah, yeah, reepy and yet home addresses and all of that.

45:30 Yeah, all that. That's where it got all dark. In the beginning, it was like, all right, this guy's an idiot and he wants to put together a Mighty Ducks style fucking Disney football team, you know what I mean. That sort of felt like I was like, Okay, this could be cool. This guy means well, and then you go st security, then you go you know, and then he gets real fu he starts beating up his girlfriend, yeah in front of them, Yeah, killing geese for no reason with the bus. Now you're like, all right, this guy's actually just the joker. Yeah, I thought it was Mighty Ducks. Dude, he thought it was you thought he had the Bash bros. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he recruited off the street. Yeah, he recruited the fucking knuckle puck kid off the street too, Goldberg, that's a great movie. So the thing that gets me is that, like, uh, kind of in society that people most likely to fall for a scam are people kind of at the in the in the struggle zone, sure, you know, who are just desperate to make something happen, to change their circumstance whatever, and they want to like take care of their family. They want to you know, they want to ease off the money pressure and in the hopes that all the other pressures would subside, you know, like the family stress or whatever. Or people who have a shit ton of money and they're just looking for you know, some kind of multiplier that feels good. Yeah.

46:50 Yeah. People on both ends that, yeah, have less shits to give. Yeah, yeah, like what you know, one because they just have less less shit period and others because they're so secure that I mean they might lose some face. But people at the same time, people like oh yeah, that was that was a gutsy gamble man. You know, I haven't watched it yet, but what's the it's older now, but there's a concert series that fill through like this fire festival Festival? Is that similar to this? I never watched that. Sound like the I would watch the Hulu one is way better than the Netflix one or whatever. Who was leading that, not y'all rules, Social boys, jall rule was attached to it. Yeah, yeah, watch the one on Hulu because that is that kind of in this ballpark, it's similar kind of like yeah, it was very similar.

47:34 Yeah, that's what it felt like. And there's another one coming supposed a leg apparently supposed to do it. But yeah, his whole scam like on a quick thing is he just got He just like sold the fake package the pamphlet to celebrities and had and then basically like was going to hire or pay them to then post. He paid them to post like the on their instagrams. You use social media to push this thing to people to sign up for something that he had no idea how to actually set up that wasn't actually moving. Yeah, and uh, he tried to do it and people started coming because it was like he had like three months to do it and it takes like a year profess three months on an island that was like uninhibitable, like literally like it was like it's impossible to work. There's no clue.

48:21 It's amazing documentary on Hulu. One's really good because they interview I think he's in it in the in the Hulu guard running it. Yeah, and like used to see his ed, to see his roy his Royness or what's the other one we did? We work, We work like I had some Roy in them. Remember the Roy part where remember when Roy said on camera he was like, I don't know if you like really believe this or not. He's like, I mean I never knew him one point in my life. I'd have enough money to run out a hold a whole uh thirty rooms in a whole entire hotel. I'm like, you're paying it, but you you're not. You don't, You're you're scamming. Yeah, he's got a filter on his entire life. Yeah, he had he had come back to the joker. He had the joker laugh. He had no he's weird, a joker laugh and a weird smile. Yeah. What was that one part where like he said something about like, oh, I never told her that and they're like, well we have the Yeah, we have the email or the texts. There's what you did. He's like, well, or like kids, Yeah, there's something else like that too, And then they literally show the paper where the kids says wrote something, and he's like, oh, I didn't make them sign anything. And then they they like flashes to a piece of paper where a kid signed a contract to some crazy shit. Yeah, you're like no, like literally, there's proof your psycho dude. It's like three hundred charges against him, right fila, Yeah, something insane.

49:34 He Uh. The story's wild. The pace of the movie's actually pretty good because there's so much. There's obviously answers you want to have, and you almost want more, which I think is always better, right you, rather than other documentaries give you too much of sworking. Yeah, just too much. Where this you're like, damn, I wish they could have dove in here more because he's so crazy, or the I want to hear more about the money, or yeah, more about the recruiting. There's there's semi n answered stuff, but it's kind of good unanswered because he's crazy. You're never going to know the answer. You don't never know the truth right, because not everything was filmed, but the length was good because some of these ships go on fucking forever. The food, remember, he just like they wouldn't eat the mac and cheese because it was so awful looking. So picture of the picture was so funny. Even the mom said something like I didn't know if that was oatmeal or oakrah or what the fuck it was. It's like, yeah, that should look crazy, and they would just like heat it up the next day. It looked like days and days. It looked like the cream of corn, like a week old. Dude, it looked really.

50:29 That was a really sad scene where he's like goes to the kids doors like ah, you good anything. He's like, dude, I'm hungry. Man. Yeah, they just cut They don't really care then, Like, dude, those poor kids, man. I think that's when they cut to getting them to steal from the grocery shop. They're all running around its right, bags of ice. They should have like he should have gotten some kind of charges for like child and neglects. No sers, like this guy should be in fucking jail. That's what I'm saying. Like the rules of like starting a fake school and all that, Okay, I understand the semantics there, but like, no, he's taken like at least some of them had to be under eighteen. Yeah, because like I guess, if you're over eighteen, you're consenting to right. I could say, hey, Dean, beat the fuck out of me, and if I consent, you can bet the fuck out of me. So, but if they're under age and he takes him from his parents and he scams him and he doesn't feed him, like there's yeah, there's definitely got to be some jail time. How is this guy? I don't know because the other ones were like fraud stuff, but this is like criminal criminal we should call a lawyer. I don't understand it. Yeah, I read something and not having in front of front of me, Now what the actual situation with with him now is because he thinks you have to have a season. Well that's that's what That's what it's in the documentary. But that's not happening for sure, it would be it would be technically happening right now. Right it is a high school football on right now? Uh yeah, same as college right, the same schedule, same same time of year, time time of year, Mike, yeah, uh yeah, probably started in August. Yeah, so if technically if he was going, he's going, Yeah, there's just no fucking way though, playing one game this same it's not even possible that ship was crazy, dude, one of the craziest stories I've ever heard, Like as far as in the

52:00 sports world and how new it is, you think crazy shit would be less likely now with social media, you would think, But but he in some ways use social media to be crazier. Yes, right, because that's the yeah, because like, yeah, in the eighties, you know, and no one knows, you know, you're just creeping around on paper. You can make fake ship. He made a fake check. But he's like, it wasn't fake check. It was the real number. They're like, you went the fucking keikos. He's like, but it was the real number. Yeah, we are this crazy period. He tried to he tried to gaslight the person. Like he does that whole you know, when he's lying. So he's so he's so animated when he lies, he does like the whole like, yeah, like you're crazy, Like, what do you mean that's totally normal? You just like I just change the name on it. What's wrong with you? That? Which like it is normal? Sometimes to prove it right, you would show you would like give them the check and then they would copy it and give it to you as almost like a receipt.

52:47 But like, no, you're literally just making fake money. That yeah, that's crazy. I mean in reality, banks don't have to accept him. But you can write a check on anything as long as it's got the the account number another loophole and your signature whatever whatever. Doesn't even have to have a you know, a check number any of that kind of stuff. If the bank is willing to accept that. Not every bank is going to do that. He just knows all these little things, the little tricks. Yeah, yeah, he's smart. He's not an idiot. No, he's not an idiot, but he's like, I don't know, he's like chaotic evil. No, he's evil. He's he's like even the road tissry thing, that's like that's smart, that's very smart. It's bad it's your evil, but he's not dumb. Yeah, and then the whole I mean, what about like what's the repercussions of putting these kids unprepared in front of these kids, like them getting hurt and him just like the guy's acels everywhere. Maybe the kid was rolling over holding his acel. He kept like grabbing him and like turning him back over onto his back, like the one yelling at him.

53:46 One kid said, my niece snapped, he said, does it hurt? He's like not really, He's like, you can play. Kid ends up having a ripped acel. Dude, and the other kid broke his ankle. That wasn't even shouldn't have been court. Remember yet in that game he had two kids that were like receivers or cornerbacks and he had playing quarterback. Yeah, it's just the weakest looking throw I've ever seen. Oh, they were just kidding. That shouldn't even have been on that should they should have just like cut the feed. But now they have to sell commercials. Yeah, commercials. I'm trying to find out where that what I was reading about. I wish you I would have saw that game live. And it's been so confused. Some people did, right, A lot of people they were probably so confused. They were probably like, how did this? How was this on TV? Yeah, they're throwing the ball off someone's helmet. They didn't really bring the game plan today, Like, what's the excuse. He's just like on the sidelines just like holding an empty clipboard. He doesn't know what they call he's drinking the gatorade's shrinking. He's just sipping the gatorade on the sideline instead of coaching, because they don't have any of their own drinks.

54:43 So it was probably provided. Yeah, that was the only nutrition they've had, is provided by ESPN, probably so. Uh SB Nation had an article on this and they had the ten most shocking revelations. I guess maybe we'll just run through this and sort of in conclude lusion here. Uh Roy Johnson interned with the New York Jets under Belichick and Bill Parcels. That was pretty huge. That's why I thought this was going to go somewhere good. Yeah. Yeah. Entire plan for Bishops Sickamore was basically an insurance scam. When Michael was referring to earlier. Upon learning it would take one hundred and fifty million dollars in funding to build a school and a sort sports program, probably a lot more than that, Johnson formulated an insurance scheme to get funding.

55:24 Involved signing church parishioners up for life insurance policies with wording that left the percentage of their policy on death to the school, not the church, but the schools like someone So someone has to die though for him to get that money. Yeah, yeah, I mean I probably wouldn't killed. That's a long games what I'm saying, I don't know. And depending on churches, you know, sometimes there's some a lot of old folks along were targeting to older people. Yeah, but the premiums on life insurance for if you're old are crazy unless you can find some company that's willing to take a low premium. And he wasn't big, he wasn't known to be in Richeria. No.

56:04 No, Johnson has a really disturbing way of viewing athletes. Revealing theme throughout Roy Johnson's interviews in BS High is that he's totally unhinged. Early in the documentary, explains that part of the appeal of being a coach or a general manager is being the men in charge of gladiators. Later, when he's probed about why he didn't put a stop to his scheme when the funding ran out, he quips, I'm magneto. These are my mutants and I'm fighting for them. I saw that part. He's like, he's not professor X, He's Magneto. I clocked that when he said it. Bishops six more were targeted and preyed on kids with shaky family lives. Everybody was ripped off by Roy Johnson. He's a predator. Yeah. His video team sold on the idea that they'd become communicative communications department for his fake high school. Were paid sixty dollars for gas in exchange for six months of work, and eight hundred dollars. Paintball outing for the players designed to project wealth was unpaid, and player housing was booked on net ninety terms and hotels and never paid.

57:09 Okay, it was cool. Who's going paintballing to project wealth? Was the paintball fucking things? Eight hundred dollars just runs team bonding and runs doesn't fucking this din and dashes paintball small business shooting scoot. You know how much, no many fucking weekends or how many outings it try it takes for that company to make that that paintball money. Like like that's not a high profit industry. It's just like some random young guy. He's just trying to make it, just doing honest work. I get more, like the retention on someone playing paintball is so low you go like once and then like that's it for most people, very small percentage, like continue to play week and week out.

57:50 So for that guy to like use up all that paint and all that rental and all like all that that that's a huge fucking loss for that guy. The next one is always scammed grocers, sor as we talked about that this this part, I think we haven't really touched on it, and I think it's I think it's critical, uh, their ineptitude mask the fraud when it comes to age, because he had these big kids who were up to twenty three years old, but they were so awful. No one ever called that into questions if they're if they're actually Alabama talent top the bottom and they're shitting on high school kids, this this gets shut down right away, right twenty three year olds playing against high school sixteen year olds. That's such a huge gas and they're they're ripping a seals. I almost now feel bad making fun of the players because they already got scammed by this dickhead, but like they're getting shipped all by sixteen year olds. Yeah, that's not good either.

58:42 No, that that probably broke the pride more than all this fucking scams. Well part of it too. I mean if they were if if if it was handled like a real team, if they had real practices with with real game plans, real coaches and all this stuff, they might have been better. Maybe. Who knows, though there are some freaky fucking seniors and high school right, Like if they're not talented, That's why I wanted to know, Like, are these kids actually talented? Because some did end up Louisville. But if the rest of them are, you know, jamokes, Yeah, and you're playing the best of the best, they're still not gonna you're gonna get shit. I'd be like me going out there just because I'm older doesn't mean ship bro. I went to a played a pro am. I was twenty one, probably the best shape, best basketball shape, best mind shape. I was in my prime. I was killing, Like I'm playing NBA Cats as kid Mike Bryson. He's fucking soft junior or senior in high school, full right to you. UCSB just comes and dunks all over mine, you know, like they're like, yeah, go guard him.

59:30 I was like, oh, this little kid, you know, he's six eight, but he's a kid. I could tell no facial just shit, it's all over. I'm like, all right, well he playing the nb Yeah, you know, he's a sixteen year old a head of the NBA. I'm fucking Mario and Luigi twenty one in my prime. There's levels yeah, yeah, no kidding. The other ones we've started touched on, they just didn't just destroy them mentally and physically, but also financially. Yeah. Yeah. If if they're you know, eviction stuff, and if they took out loans in their own name at like seventeen, they're fucked. That does like last, that could last ten years of fun. Well, that one kid they were interviewing and they told the kid on air or on the video that he has a PPP two he had in his name. Didn't even know.

1:00:13 Yeah, fucked, Yeah, I didn't even know. Because this kid is he used their information, he fraudulently signed him, probably exactly. And then the biggest shocker that this, there's just no remorse at all. There's no no from him or his other coach guy. I don't know his other coach guy could have been fine in another circumstances, but he committed to this. Why is he still around? And he committed to the bid at the end. Yeah, and he's in the fucking documentary, Like I'd be so ashamed I'd moved to South America and changed my name, still wearing. Yeah, he's bought in. If he's going on the documentary, you're still on the merch. He's obviously got some gear issues as well, because you're committed to the bit. Yeah. He told you to look at like, look at any cult leader, like this guy could easily start a cult. No, yeah, you know what I mean, like, yeah you did, Yeah, you did. Yeah, they're gonna be his loyal people that are thinking like everybody else is crazy and this guy's right. I do wish it would have talked some of the parents a little more. Yeah, they only talked about two one. Yeah, and one was like yeah, if they would have dug in there, you would have really probably saw some emotion.

1:01:15 Two moms. No, dad's right. Yeah, I don't think I saw any Dad's well. Yeah, that's just that's a whole other problem. That's a whole other issue. That's half the reason why they were there. Yeah, they didn't have anybody to guide them in the right direction. That's what the That was the string of the story. Right now that he took advantage of the dad coach relationship to some young men that were looking for some help. They said, like, I told these kids some dark things out of you. Guys don't even know. And I would say to get people motivated, you gotta say some horrible things. He was probably like going low, Yeah, probably so, yeah, he's a psycho. All right, let's rate this puppy. I think that that the rating scale should be road killed geese. Man. I might call like like a four four killed geese.

1:01:58 The story is just so crazy, Like you can think about it after the documentary and you still realize it's crazier. You know, sometimes when you when you talk about it or you see it first's like, oh that was kind of crazy, then you forget about it. But this one was like, actually pretty fucking nuts. And it's so modern, right, it's so modern. It was really interesting. And then the pace of it's pretty good. It dabbles in football, dabbles and kids, It dabbles in business at dables, in church, it dabbles in all these things. So I thought it was really good, pretty good. Yeah, I'm gonna double down on the four or geeseers. Yeah, I don't know what would be a five at this point. But like I think, chorus, I don't know if you did Icarus with this, I've seen it anytime. I loved. Chorus is good. That's a high, high, high praise. That's like one of the best. Yeah, I agree with that. And last dance is pretty good. If you're a basketball family, you have to do Yeah, it's so good. Last dance is so good. That's to rewatch it. But it's like a four to five five to me, to me obvious. The Jordan, Yeah, they're just the aura of Jordan. It's so good.

1:02:50 The interviews are good. Yeah, that's true. I'm gonna geese Jam. I would say okay on story purely, just on the story existing in the world, that's a five stories story, sure, but I would I would also say four. On the execution it was, it was well executed, it was it moved fast, it didn't lag at any point. If he wasn't repeat itself, no, yeah, yeah, moved on because there's so many things to touch on. If he wasn't psycho though he doesn't do that interview no, no, like, there's no like he's psycho. That's why I know he has real narcissistic traits because he knows going in the interview, or he to him going in the interview. This is a glorified story, right, he's good in this movie. Yeah, right, because any other person with morals knows that you're about to get flamed for being an idiot when you're not agreeing to the interview. What's the rating with him not in it?

1:03:42 Yes, probably think it really brings it down because you can't see that it's true. Well, then it's just a victim story. Yeah. But here you're like, no, dude, you're telling me what you want me to hear, and I still know you're lying. Yeah. Well it tells you that Michael Strahan is uh smart enough to know that he's got to grease this guy. Yeah, he's probably shoot him funny text to Yeah, to keep him on the hook for sure, killed it, expose himself the way he did. Yeah, And to not not be willing to say, I mean he said I'm the what do you say, the most honest liar? Yeah, something like that, some some bullshit like that, some backwards joker.

1:04:25 Yeah. Yeah. It just to not realize that you're the villain of the story, or to maybe revel in being the villain. Yeah, half and half, half and half. Yeah, because I still think he thinks he's good. Yeah, well he's even like he even said it. The one part he was like, you know what they say in business is even if you don't have the money, you do all the things that people have the money. That's like, first off, that's not true. Yeah, that's not the case. It's sad, but that is kind of how social media projects rich people. Correct. Yeah, yeah, habits are rich people and what I interviewed ten rich people and this is what they do, and you know, yeah, it doesn't work. It's just a bullshit thing.

1:05:09 It doesn't work. It's because it sounds accomplishable. It's it's like a two two broad expansion of dress for the job you want to have, right. Yeah, you can wear pieces, Yeah there's pieces. Yeah, there's pieces. You can wear a suitor every day to high school. But you're just gonna be that weird kid that wears a suitor d high school. And also action to be what you want to do, right, And what did these billionaires do ten years ago is what you need to look at, not what they do right now. Because now he's flying a private chet and now he's not doing that, he still brought Yeah, exactly, don't do a shit work. Can people find a Dean Keviniquilo's at Dean Stores. I was k on, I G and Yep, Ladies and Gentlemen. New episodes Wednesday Friday. Good Company, Discord dot com if you want to top into the community and the Discord, Third Street Barbell. If you're in northern California, come stop by three sp dot CEO for all your gym apparel needs. And I'm Selim Mike. I'll catch the next one. Hi'm athey, Jim mcdan all those social media. This show is fifty percent facts. Word percent is a word at fifty Excuse me, it's just numbers. Fifty percent Facts is a Spreaker Prime podcast and so Station with I Heart Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network and we'll talk to you next time.