Rocky (1976) | A 50% Facts Review

0:08 Welcome, Welcome to America. Welcome to America. Hell yeah, we got Dean Sodoris back with us today for the first time in a while. I know I missed you guys. Yeah, we missed you too. We just were not finding a bunch of stuff that we wanted to watch. Was I think maybe the big problem? Yeah, people are everybody's baby. Yeah, when you sort of dug into the bag here and came up with with Rocky. And there's a couple of reasons why I wanted to do Rocky. This. This episode's going to go up around the fourth of July. Okay, Yeah, what's more American than fucking Well, I'm wondering. I was wondering why Rocky, But now I'm finding out, Now, why not? That better question. That's a good question. Why why not? Rocky came out in seventy six. The time period shown in the movie is late seventy five to early seventy six. Yeah, by centennial seventy six, that was a whole big thing. Like, you guys didn't live through it, but I sure did. We did. I was a kid, and like the poster said, the bi centennial on the Creeks poster, Yes, everything was bi Centennial it. I had completely forgotten that part of it, but entirely explains the flag shorts. That Isn't there a movie by Centennial Man, Yes there is, but that's not about the Bison to robot the wide stripe. Yeah.

1:33 Yeah, you ever seen Rocky? Uh No, damn, we should have made you watch it. It's full confession, Like I've never fucking watched Rocky ever start to finish like that, like the first one, So I don't think I've ever sat down start to finish, but I've seen every inch of it. Yeah, because like one, it was my one of my dad's favorite movies. Two, like it's fucking iconic and it used to be on TNT all the time. Yeah, like it was just everywhere. But what I didn't know is how how highly touted it was. I knew it was like kind of a thing, and I thought it was like the America the Underground Story, Underdog Story, which it is, which it is, but like movie wise, people loved it. People loved its, which is crazy Oscar. Yeah, and like just wild wild right, like the character building and stuff. When because when I watch movies with y'all or for y'all for this podcast, I watch it differently. Normally, Mike just wants to be entertained, and I rate it on the ten dollars scale because movies are still ten bucks in my head. Was that worth two hours and ten bucks in my time? All right? Cool? But now when I'm doing a podcast I watch it. Yeah, like the character like everything kind of sucks about it, you know, Like it's like Rocky'll say something in one scene and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna feel of who this guy is.

2:46 And then he'll and then you'll come out and like he's like an idiot, you know, and he's a bum, and he's self conscious and he's not proud of himself. You know, he's literally a thug for a living. And then you'll go to the next scene and I'm like, oh, this guy's so charismatic, Like he's so funny. He's risen the funk out of this pet store. You know, he's got Gabe the autistic pet store girl. Yeah, well he everyone kept saying what she withdotted? You're going clearly on the spectrum. I think she's shy, well, I think I think she's well. Then then you talk about, oh, it's a disease you know they say when you're shy, it's a disease. That was just early phrases for saying, like on the spectrum in the seventies. I felt like they both were and I never noticed that before. Yeah, yeah, I mean we love on the spectrum is what this movie was. It was when she freaks out on her brother, you feel like, yeah, little chism, yeah greatness, Yeah, she got her blood was boiling. Yes, not being able to hear this is just purely they say it. They say it in the movie. They literally say, didn't she bedotted a lot?

3:46 The only other thought before we go on that I don't want to miss out on is is Philly all my John's out there is Philly just always been the most ghetto place on the planet. It's a pretty rough neighborhood since its existence. It's kind of like you know the Bronx right or New York yea, or maybe before like the genrification days or whatever. But you know what I mean, Like every scene there, everything's ruined. People are starting fires in the trash can, singing, drinking alcoholic. Well, clearly that shot of him walking in that like slum area was literally they just like filmed that. Yeah, and because all those people were like, what the hell's going on? So those weren't actors. Yeah. Actually, if you look into the into the trivia, that's one of the points that was all shot Gorilla.

4:30 Every street scene where Rocky's running or walking through or whatever, all that was shot Gorilla. They probably all that it's three am too. It looked like probably so all the people that are that you see on the sides and stuff, except for his brother in that one scene, I assumed just because the budget, Ryesly was nobody. That's the coolest part about Rocky to me is the real underdog story of Sylvester right, like he's nobody. I forgot the story goes deep or I saw like a little clip on it someone did a montage on Instagram, but like did somebody die or he got divorced or he got arrested, like something crazy happens and then he filled the role with him. No, No, he wrote the whole thing. Yeah, oh okay, but he was he always gonna play the right he was, But he said he wouldn't actually sell the screenplay unless they would guarantee that he could star in the film. No, they offered him three hundred thousand dollars for the screen and he said no, I'll go do it, and he did it and end up making one hundred and seventeen million. Yeah, in the seventies. Yeah, and the way that it's cut together is very rough.

5:29 No, the whole movie is insanely. It just like just shuts. It's a bad YouTube film, like there's nothing going on, but there's just early filmmaking. I don't know well that the director is like super well known director Avilson. I don't know. I don't know why it looks the way it does, except that it looks very indie. Yeah, it looks super cheap and like thirty thousand. I think I read somewhere or something like that was a budget. It is insane. And I watched the whole credits. This is another point before Jim o'realis in and we'll get to some kind of timeline here. I watched the credits and to watch the credits with only like five names is insane, Like each department's one name. And I think that's partially the seventies and partially this movie showing how low budget it was. Yeah, they had no employees. Where if you can watch a Marvel film and you read the credits for it's thirty five minutes, broll, there's one hundred people just under costumes. Yeah yeah, and this had one person under every single category. What helps everybody wore the same outfit the entire movie? Well, and it was their own clothes, Yeah, for sure, literally, no, for sure. Absolutely, they just didn't have the money for wardrobe.

6:31 And so like that. Bring a blue jacket and this black ink on it, the leather jacket that that Rocky wears. And the hat literally they got it at a he got it at a thrift store with a little feather in it. Yeah, so good. Why does everybody wear those hats? Is that a Philly thing? Time thing? I wore this hat today, this for the for the pot and the Chucks. That is good hat, dude. I thought about the Chucks though. I were the Chucks today, because you know, it's funny about the shoes. I know, I'm getting totally out and I'm running away. I'm running to you can tell that they the you know, when they redid the Chucks, you can get those like the nicer Chucks. Those are supposed to be more accurate to the old ones. Because you look at those Chucks he's wearing like those things look padded and and comfy compared to these, like the cheap ones that like a lot of power liters, like these ones aren't all stars are Yeah, what's the other one called the nicer one? It's like the ninety seven or the maybe sixty seven or whatever. You know, it's like a cream or it might be the seventy six. It might be the seventies. Yeah, I think that's what it is. Literally might be. And they're like a cream and they're thicker, and they're like way more comfortable. They think that was a more accurate like version. Anyways, I'm also going to Philadelphia in a few weeks, so, yeah, I've not really been, even though I was just talking about Buddy calling shut out Power Build about taking a visit, uh to go see him, because I've never really been there. I've been in the airport and then outside. But some of the yeah, just every scene and obviously he's the underdog and he's poor fuck, but every scene the city looks so wrecked. And then now you obviously hear about it because of fentanyl or whatever.

7:57 Philly is just a just a shithole. But there's so many places like that, and I guess maybe it's all of them. Maybe it is slightly stereotype because everyone makes one of South Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and it phillies at like grimy America Italian places And in the in the seventies, New York City was like that too. Yeah yeah, yeah. Not till the nineties, New York was like nice, right, yeah, yeah, so that kind of makes sense. Yeah, it's just the old grimy Oh when the Italian hardcore patriot folk it was I feel like it was like in that era though, like the inner city was not a place of wealth. Sure there was no gentrification yet, yeah, it was like it wasn't cool to live there yet. That was where where you like kind of almost control the poor people. Yeah. Yeah, that was like when suburbs became a thing right after World War everybody got out of there. After World War two, people got some money and they started cruising out further and further. Yeah. So now in the seventies, suburban life is the thing that is the white pick of fence, the golden retriever and you're ten miles There was not in the city. There was no like young middle class living there. It was like the richest of the rich living in the higher rises or whatever, in the in the townhouses or like whatever, and then the ultrapore ye like Rocky.

9:05 Yeah they read that, they did show that. Well, yeah, that was the party. I was always waiting for the mob boss guy to like turn on him. I was loyalty baby, I get that, but like I was waiting for him to like be like they almost set it up and made us think that he was going to turn off. Yeah, that he was like friends with creator who knows whether she's the fight or likes against them, yeah or exactly they like I felt that energy the whole time, but that just never happened. I like the mob mentality, loyalty there, giving them a little money for training, and like even when to do exactly what he told him to do, he just he just like warned him, lightly warned him, like, hey, you know you have to you have to do what I tell you to do, break even if you don't want to do it. Yeah, yeah, riding around in the Cadillac. But Rocky's logic was solid, Like if I break his thumb, he's gonna get lat up from his job, and he's never You're never going to get the rest of them. Yeah, Rocky's not specially smart. Yeah, it's just how it's just smart. It's just his delivery. Well, I thought if he had a broken finger, he couldn't do no more walk and then he couldn't get the money to pay you. The crazy thing is that his voice is not as fucked up as you think it is gonna be. No, yeah, it progressively cut worse at his acting voice. Yes, it like from film to film to film, for sure got got worse. The other the other thought I have is Rocky one yet it's so slow. There's like no plot, you don't really know what's going on. You generalize how slow.

10:26 I thought it was way more boxing. There's literally boxing at the very beginning and the very end, all right exactly. But when you do get to the montage like fire the fast paced montage. Yeah, when he's like when he's like in shape, the gunn of flying out montage. Yeah, they're running down the street, grabbing an apple from the dude on the side, and the punch in the meats, that's fire like. I don't know if that's the first montage, and I don't know if it's the first one, but it's probably one of the most impactful, right, because it like it sort of changed. I mean a thing about this movie is it changed the whole Cinderella story template. Yeah, I think elevated sports movies as a whole. Like obviously there's some before that. There's a couple of baseball and maybe even uh the Indiana basketball one. You know, there's a couple of sports movies, but this is like sports movie eras here. Yeah, this one's earlier than I think all those other ones. Yeah, it might be, it might be. It might be one of the first ever in boxing boxing big boxing movies were big though, like Raging Bowl, like those were already like The Bulls after Raging Bulls After. Yeah, Ye wasn't it black and white? Yeah? It was black and white potentionally on purpose. Yeah, I don't know the air I didn't know that. Yeah, because this is I mean seventy six right, yeah, he's thirty, Yeah slides thirty, Rockies thirty. Yeah, obviously film forms. It looked really good on Amazon Prime. Maybe that's why I was like, yeah, it did not look like antypical like seventy six movie because I watched on Obviously it's been writ enhanced.

11:48 Yeah, it looked like pretty good. No, it looked good. Yeah, it's slow as shit. You don't get the plot until kind of Creed says, yeah, I want to fight like an All American underdog, and then you're like, all right, I get the plot, but there's still no plot. Yeah. The other thought I've had was the movies I do think progressively get better if you've watched the others, and I haven't watched them with this detail of my brain. But they get a little bit faster, a little bit more plot. There's a couple more twists once you get into two, three, four, five. Yeah, they get more visual as they have more. The montages are more. There's obviously a ton more money. Yeah, but I assume that Rocky wrote this, sly wrote this just for one and then let's look at it just as one. That ending does feel very hipster Indie win an award. It does. And the weird thing is that you don't watch this is like, if you haven't want to watch I, go watch Rocky. Stop now, go watch Rocky come back and listen to the rest of this. You the ending is ambiguous right now, he technically loses, and you kind of know, but you don't know, Yeah, they don't tell you. That's how they cut it off before they raise. Yeah, you know we know it's a split decision. Yeah, and you know because of the hug, Creed kind of knows you one, like I'm not giving he says, I'm not giving you a remember, so you kind of know, which, of course was what Rocky too has been, right. And I do remember watching this as like a kid kid, I must have been eight or something because I kind of looked at my dad because that's same thing. I'm like, he'd lost, Like, Dad, what happened? He's like, yeah, he lost. He's like he wins later, but he lost. Said, what the fuck? Kind of movie? You know, I'm eight, but what Adrian and he fell in

13:22 love and he took him. He took him the distance, which was his goal, which is kind of an underdog loser goal in my opinion, right because he started to get in shape and you think, you think he's gonna build it up, and he's like, I'm gonna go whoop his ass. He said, I'm just gonna last. Yeah, that's that's his like that's the turning point, like I'm just gonna survive. He didn't get so far out over his skis. No, he knocked him down because I read the only person ever knocked him down. Yeah, and the only one to last. I did read the whole credits. He choreographed every fight scene just him. The crazy thing is, yeah, they had a they had a crew, they had a fight choreography crew, and it was what they came up with was full and the director is like, this fucking sucks. You guys are fired. Somebody needs to solve this problem. And Stallone wrote thirty two or thirty five pages of exactly what happens on screen in the fights. That's crazy. The only part that looked kind of silly was when they were like it was him and Creed at the end, when they were like kind of like balling up. Yeah, Like, yeah, all the fighting in hindsight, if you've seen New Ship, the fighting is Corny's fake fighting. Though.

14:28 Yeah, it like you think of like the New Roadhouse movie. Yeah, I haven't seen it like this. There was like literally cgi fight scenes in that too, Like did you watch that? You guys know that you guys watched the New House. I've seen that might be a good episode. I see the old one and I was just like I don't know if I can the new one. This one's got a lot to talk, a lot on wrap on this one. Maybe we'll uh you know, but a bookmark that McGregor's jacked in it. That's enough to watch it. Fighting scenes are hard, but this one, like you can see the fist is three feet away in a couple punches. Yeah, where I don't know if it's one of the other Rockies. I can't think of what film, but I've seen interviews where the guy's like, no, you have to hit me, Like I think it is right. Yeah, Yeah, that was the deal with with the with the first Rocky, and they have done it all the way through the Creed movies where you have to as an actor you have to take one shot. Yeah, he wants to get run real shot. Well, didn't like what's his name, Michael B. Jordan, didn't he like take that one shot and like I actually got knocked out, don't doubt it clip going around in the first movie. Yeah, And obviously times have changed, but the fight scenes in the Creeds are insane. They're really good. And obviously the camera angles like everything's mastery faster now it's faster, and they got the facts like it's the mastery is there? But uh and again this might be, for all we know, the first sports movie in history, you know, like it's not, but it is. Yeah, Like I don't know, like Bad News Bears maybe before this and some of those. Maybe that might be eighties too, lots in the eighties. Okay, So this

15:58 is the only Rocky movie without slow mo in the in the fight scene. It is one of the first three movies to use a steady cam. Steady caam had just been invented, and and so those the scenes of him like going through you know, running through the city and all that kind of stuff those are and going up the steps, that's all. That's all steadycam stuff. So when weren't done on like cranes? Uh huh were those those weren't like crane shots or no, there there were handheld steady cam. Yeah. Another dumb thing that I realized was, uh, and the training montage is so good, but he grabs some bricks. Oh yeah, he's running with him like waits Yeah, he's running like running school and then he's throwing a couple of punches. But then he starts doing some cheerleader ship. He's running down the street and he's throwing his fists just in the like parandom. I'm like, dude, he's just like totally making it up. Like he's clearly not a boxer. Yeah, he's like the bow Sue ball guy with that guy's name. Yeah, he's going wild with these bricks down the streets.

16:59 So the fuck. So he, I guess maybe had some sense of boxing before before this to right and he and obviously Apollo Creed is based on Muhammad Ali. Yeah, yeah, and it's the thing was inspired by a fight where Ali fought a non ranks contender and shit happened. Yeahli was still fighting in seventy six. Yeah. But the crazy thing is like the Apollo Creed character is barely a character in this movie. Yeah, he grows through the series, yeah, but he's just barely in it. And there's he does a lot of goofy ship yeah, like, and Carl Weathers had no background in boxing at all. They had to they had to coach him up to be able to get the scenes they got. He looks athletic though, you know, yeah, no, he looks he's jacked and Ship talks funny, you know, he's Joe Frazier and all that I loved his like little like, uh, the one guy that was actually like paying attention, you know, he's one of his goons that was like, hey, you know, we gotta take another look at this guy. And the ball himself was getting ignored. I don't want you fight in the South. No, it's fine.

18:07 This is our guy by the name. The video funny, Oh man, we got to prepare for this guy watching him hit the meat on the news station. Apparently, uh stallone like flattened his knuckles out from and they're still he still has that issue from the meat from pounding the meat. He was really hitting the meat. I thought it was he's beating his meat. He's beating the meat. He's beating somebody's meat. He throws a hook into the ribs, not the meat part like in the on the news. I'm like, that's not. What's so funny about that whole thing too, is like they could do that whole news scene right after he did that like one time out of like rage so he didn't hurt his friend. Yeah, and then like the news came is like your new training method. I guess like I set that up and that that was part of that. I guess yeah, it's like, wait, there's something here we can use and he was like so ready to do it. Though Pauli's a weird character, probably is their worst character of practically any character that sustains through any movie I've ever fucking I think he gets better. But here's been a good friend. Yeah, and here he's in real life you now, yeah, because in the movie it's like it's literally the friend you don't want. Yeah, exactly, it's Rocky's only friend and you don't want to have him. But in the movie does get a little bit more encouraging, at least my memory in two, three, and four, like he becomes a little bit more like he lives in their fucking house by four or five or whatever. He's got a robot, for Heaven's sake, So I mean I love that. Yeah, he's driving like a Rari in the driveway. He's got a robot bro that serves you. And this is in the eighties. Now, yeah, thank god he's dead by the time the Creed movies coming around. The first Creed movie

19:42 is probably the has the best fight scene, the fighting at the end in any boxing movie ever. The Creeds are actually kind of good in my opinion, like they're not the best movies ever, but if you like, if you like kind of boxing and you like Rocky Lore, I guess yeah, like they're definitely watchable. We were like a clan like people like didn't really complain about him, no like this like, oh why did they do this? No? I felt they were very neutral and I thought they might should have got a little bit more love. But I guess you're right. I think your first one got pretty good. The first one did a little bit, the second one was okay, third one was in Yeah, it was very fine, but the seconde almost came out like too late. People like already didn't care. Yeah, I think maybe might installed it. It was in that era. But to revamp something from the seventies and you're right, not get a negative. Yeah, it's kind of a win, and it's basically the same movie. It's just better executed, right, Right, They almost identically on purpose? Yes, Like Rocky Full five is the one where he has a protege. Right four is Russia five where he has a protege.

20:40 Yeah, and then there's and Creed three. Yeah, it's his best friend coming back from prison. It's kind of the same deal, right, like there's a Creed three. Yeah, three is right by Michael B. Jordan's it's I do agree with Jim. I think one and two Creed are better, but three is really not bad. Like it's definitely watchable and you're not going to like go like they doesn't make any less sense than what goes on in the first Rocky right, and and the ties are kind of good. Like his wife's character is much better. Yeah, there's like a real story there in Creed. His mom's involved, and they tie in Creed or Apollo dying and the Thompson's a better actress than Yeah, Italia shyer to por Talia and hersm just avoid all eye contact at all times. Yeah, I think his response is funny. And I am on a steam that he's like, she just shy. I think she is just shy. The thing about I mean, like watching the trajectory of the characters in this in this thing, I don't understand what the fuck happened to hers like this, the moment she took her glasses off, she never put them back on, and she became a babe, she grew up. Yeah, it's like, oh, so you just don't need them to see Yeah, exact contact exactly. I don't think that was the thing. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

21:52 I don't see the scene where she got contacts. I don't know she got the scene where she got a better haircut, No, that happened. No, I think it was the silent transformation and confidence growth prove that she doesn't have the tism and she's not shy no more. She's Francis Francis for a copeleas sister. Oh really. And the reason that she took this movie was she wanted to get out of his shadow. Okay, so she wanted to do something very different. So that's why she looks so shitty at the beginning of this, But toward the end she's just like, oh, cute girl, A cute girl. Yeah, she's not ugly, and then by you know, by rocky five, she's you know, she's one of the house whatever housewives of you know. Well, that's what they say. They say, you're not born ugly, you're born broke. If you're ugly, it's because you're broke. Yeah yeah, yeah, like the just Broke or the Elon even Elon Elon twenty years ago. You're like, dude, you look like gollam and not that he's handsome now, but at least he looks normal.

22:49 Yeah, handsome shit fixed for sure. Yeah money dude. Alia also like, are we just gonna ignore the fact that he like kind of like almost rape for Yeah. Yeah, Like, dude, like it gets weird even inviting her in the house. She the pressure. She says no. She says no like five times, and he keeps peeking his head like come on in, and then locks the door. Yes, in the corners, and then corners her the corners a little much. He doesn't let her like leave, yes, and then she almost like goes along. It almost feels like she almost goes along with it so she doesn't get hurt. Yeah. Yeah, well that's what it looked like. I had no sense at all that she was attracted him at all, no period, Like maybe she was like shy. Yeah, she's either shy or she's saying I'm gonna settle because I really don't know any other offers on the table at the moment. I'm gonna go to this house. Yeah. Well, yeah, she clearly needed to get out of Polly's house. Do you need a roommate? Yeah, she she should have left the gas on and thrown a lighter behind her when she left. That would have been get rid of Polly. The part where she's trying to she can't throw me no more. Yeah what, I don't know what the fuck was going on with the dialogue. Yeah, he wants to be any sense at all. He wanted he wanted to wanted to mark for the mob so bad. And it's like, you can't work for the mob. He's got a fucking big mouth manager. He'll just kill you.

24:10 The Riz continues for me where you think of Rocky as yeah, kind of dumb, kind of slow, all these good is for breaking hands kind of deal. And then she's like, well, I got to call my brother, let him know where he is. And he just opens the window and screams out of it, like dude, this dude's hilarious. Like Rocky's the funniest comedian. Like if you did that in real life, Like I feel like that's something I could I would actually do. You know, Like this is just like a dumb kind of almost dad joke but almost witty. Yeah yeah yeah, And you're like, oh, Rocky's funny, dude, he ain't slow, but why does he have to have so many knives stuck into everything around his house like that a red flag or like the darts are He's just slamming him at a wall, like a picture. There's a picture there. He drew something. There was like some kind of drawing there. There's a lot of back no no doors, Why is there a Why is there a mattress propped up with a buck knife stabbed into its angry? I didn't even notice that other ship like that everywhere all the pictures and signage in his house. Yeah, there's like World War two knives like stuck in the pictures and the on his little like uh uh shrine family shrine. Yeah, if you got all the red flags of being of complete psycho. Yeah, so those are the things I've never watched the movie for right because I'm just like, oh, I'm just trying to see the montage. But then when I watch it for the podcast, I started looking around. You're like, yeah, this's fucking weird. But it's like, yeah, no wonder she would just like win along with it, and there she didn't want to die.

25:30 She's looking around at at darts everywhere, knives everywhere, ripped mattresses and just mess and alcohol and you're just like, I'm going to get hurt if I don't go along with whatever this guy says, Yeah, for sure, but she's actually was put out. But three weeks later she's in love, and then they're in love. She's freaking out. Yeah, And at the end of the day, he was harmless. He's just kind of a what's the word idiot? Uh, He's just kind of you know, he's just a little different. Different the other character which becomes even more likable, I think in time, which is a little questionable in the beginning, is Mick that was actually coming to that what the what is mixed value added? Other than the fact that he owns the gym, I didn't see almost anything that he had to say to Rocky that like somebody off the street couldn't have said to Rocky. Yeah they they And he's such an asshole and such an opportunist, like he's only interested in Rocky once Rocky has a shot at the at the at the at the title, I think, I mean, there is a line where he sounds like he says Rocky was lazy in his twenties when he first showed up, and that's why he didn't give him a chance or give him attention because he could have been good but wasn't training hard. But it's a very uh like bolt on layer of Rocky being an underdog. Yeah, and it's just a bolt on, like, oh, here's another piece to show, here's a one liner to show. Mick also thinks you're a loser.

26:56 Right, But do you you get the sense from from watching Rocky at the beginning that he is sandbagging anyway, Like it feels more like Mick is against the fact that he was working for the Mob exactly. Maybe that yeah, which which is kind of like a thing, right, like if I'm coaching, it is just so loosely put together as the issue because like that story makes sense, Like if I have a young protege and he's out fucking around dealing weed, yeah, I'm gonna say, hey, screwball, you know. So it's maybe one of those because he's working with the Mob. But they don't show any Rocky boxing obviously the first fight, and they display how tough he is, but that's all you really gather from that, that he's a tough and a little bit of a hothead. Maybe comes back to your knives in the mattress, right, like he's not fighting that hard.

27:42 He gets rocked and now he's pissed and goes crazy. Yeah, but they don't show any of his life as an athlete, so you don't know. We get him like twenty years in the game, Yeah yeah, and all you see is the mob life. You don't see if he's hard working. You don't see his other all you know that he's trying to make a bug. He's like, give me another fuck. It actually looks like he is hardworking. It does hustling ends. He's like hustling on all ends. But they just don't show training. Yeah, you know, they just don't show some of that, so you don't really know. And it was kind of out of shape right when they first start the workout montage. Yeah for sure, he were struggling to even get up the stairs. And then the next time he's like fucking sprinting up the stairs and even says like when these ice skinning, he's like, I'm not a good athlete. At one point, he just like slides on his shoes and yells, WHOA. You're just like what that's That's what I mean by like a split personality, Like you just don't know what you're getting Oh. Then like when he flashes on Mick and then five seconds later runs down, it's like, hey, bro, we're all good. Yeah, well that's the conversation that we do not hear.

28:38 That's the crazy thing. We see them shake it out. Yeah yeah, Mick's kind of like scared, like he's gonna get hit. I mean you get the sense maybe he felt sorry for Mick after Mick walked away, after he like after they got it out, Yeah, yeah, after the anger part were a past, and then he was like, oh yeah, you know, actually like I don't know anybody else who could help me. Mick does get a little bit anybody at all. Ever, so he gets a little bit more personality and involved in the other movies for sure, because he wasn't even in this movie. Mick. Yeah, like twice he's two lines and then he's telling him to stay down. That's it. That's it. He's watching them do push ups, not saying a word, right, Yeah. Yeah. The first scene we get when he goes and talks to him, he's like, when the Kicks is out of the locker, that was it. Yeah. Yeah, that's just another like slight sign to show that he's over the hill. Or over it put me on row. Yeah, they call the pegs. Yeah, exactly. Your ship could get stolen there, I mean yeah, right, yeah, secure, you can just take the fire extinguam sure off and steal people ship anyways, exactly like he did.

29:45 That was great, And I think i's the guy takes the locker over just talking ship to hiea like your locker fuck you. He already had all the like pictures in there women. Yeah, it's like his whole porn collection sitting in there. Uh. Back to budget, it's crazy, dude. IMDb says this, this movie costs nine hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars nine hundred thousand, nine hundred and sixty thousand, seventy six. That's like, what now three mil? And that's I'm sure that's all in. That's like emotional budget. I do know. MGM ended up signing it right, like it's an MGM movie. So they obviously were the Kings of the time. I mean they're still huge, grossed one hundred and seventeen million worldwide. Yeah, nine hundred. I read an article I read an art off at Flip article that said three hundred K was what he was offered for the film, and that's equivalent to a million. Now, so let's say a third, so three If it made one hundred and seventeen, yeah, it's worth it made three hundred and fifty mil. And if it cost nine hundred k, yeah, maybe cost three mil. Yeah, which pretty good. Three mil to three hundred mil. Damn, that's crazy. It does still kind of blow my mind, and I've never understood it, I guess because maybe I didn't go to film school and maybe I'm an idiot. I've never really understood.

30:55 Some movies are so good and never went an award or even get talked about, but they're so entertaining, or there's you know, cool twists are shot so well and they don't even get mentioned. And then some movies I feel that are like very bland, but there's some like hipster artistry. Maybe I don't understand they win all these awards, you know, and this is kind of one of those. Like I like the movie a lot, I really do, and I like the whole franchise. I was raised on it and so like, I have the nostalgia part of it, and even as an athlete, I like it, you know, even though it's slow. There's like a. You know, the underdog story is cool. All sports movies are based on underdogs. Remember The Titans is probably one of my top five movies in the history of my life. That it's hard to be and that's obviously got the the the you know, the the social aspect to it.

31:37 That the racist and that and sports and the underdog all mixed into one. Based on true story obviously, but uh yeah, I don't know if I see the like the Oscar in this You're shot like an Oscar winning movie. Think about the other movies I came out at that one Oscar and even in that era, like when was the first Godfather come out? Yes? Similar probably for maybe like that makes sense, yeah, right, like the way that even the transitions from scene to scene, you know, what's going on at all times? Is it Hitchcock in this era sixty seven Orobaly yeah, fifty sixty seven. Yeah, And those movies are crazy. I don't like them. But I might have told the story once when we were the camera work right, it's inventing camera no effects, right, And maybe that's why Rocky got it because he used the steady cam for the first time.

32:22 River or some shit. You know, maybe it's part of that. But I remember in summers because my mom was a teacher, she had off and so she's trying to find things to do with us as we're a kid, right, And my sister for some reason was really into Alfred Hitchcock, and so like we do a whole summers where we just go to Blockbuster and like watch themes together because it's one hundred degrees and I can only play so much basketball and so we're watching. We watched I've watched like every Alfred Hitchcock movie ever, and though I hated it because I'm ten years old. Yeah, but even hindsight of that, yeah, they're just so much better movies. Yeah, actually than Rocky or I could at least understand why they win awards. Yeah, yeah, even though I personally enjoy Rocky more. Yeah. So looking at what Avilson did a round this time, and then after what else did he do it? Slow dancing in the Big Cities. I've never heard of a Night in Heaven in nineteen eighty three. Uh oh, he thoughts editors, I don't know where's the director when there we go? Or Homeboys in that era? Dude who shot the moon landing Cubrick Stanley, Interstellar and all that ship. Yeah understand, say, what's the one with the masks, the scary one, the Illuminati, Illuminati Party, closed Eyes, Eyes Wide Tom Cruise though, maybe, but that's yeah, maybe that's eighties, but that's still Kubrick, right, Yeah, and those are shot like same thing. Not my style of movie, but I understand if that win awards. Full Metal Jacket, Yeah, Full Metal Jacket is the only the only Kubrick movie that I really like. So he's such a good one.

33:52 Yeah, that's so good. So he directed Save the Tiger w W in the in the Dixie Dance Dance Kings was like right before this, also was four Play, then Rocky Slow Dancing in the Big City, the formula. I don't know if you ever saw that one Neighbors, the John Belushi film. I think it's John Belushi and Dan Ackroyd as neighbors. It's probably warring neighbors. It's probably which is another template kind of movie. Yeah, traveling hopefully. I've never heard of Night in Heaven is a is a dance movie. Uh. And then in nineteen excuse me, in nineteen eighty four he did Karate Kid and then eighty six, Karate Kid Part two. They are I mean underdog movies. Karate Kidd is the same movie as Rocky for the most part. Yeah, just with a kid and a slightly more charismatic leader than Mick. He did lean on me. He did Karate Kid Part two.

34:49 Rocky five. That's the Drago Now I thought that's four, and which was Drago? I think for's Drago five? Is the kid was? The kid's name with the blonde hair is Minty. Yeah, I think that after they ended up dying of aides. Oh I did not let me make sure I'm right though, because I always get those mixed up. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough little kid. What's Rocky three? Then, mister T, mister T, he's Rocky three. That's five. That kid comes as his mentor and then challenges him. He's a jack little fuck though. Yeah, I forgot his name. He has a funny name too. He does have a funny name. It should say mister Tommy Gunn, young boxer Tommy Gunn. Right, that's good, that's good Tommy. But I think that's his real name, Tommy Gunn, his actor name, at least the name he changed to. That's so good. Oh Tommy Morrison. Ohile also trying to mend to shake your relationship with his own son. Yea, his son starts to become a role in this sage. Stallone is real son, who's his real son, who doesn't ever play his real son? So Tommy Morrison is the real guy. Was Tommy Morrison a real boxer? Oh sounds familiar?

35:58 Yeah? Yeah, explaining like why he so jacked? Not there, but yeah, this is older to plant. I don't know. Those do look kind of crazy. He might be on a little sauce. Actually, I'm sure I boxing a little part of that regiment. I think he's drinking some kind of sauce. Yeah, but as a kid, he looks fucking crazy. Oh yeah, he looks sick. Yeah yeah, that's like a natty built these days. Yeah, that's another important point. This is stallone before steroids, way before what what do you think Rocky three? We might have to watch them all. I think Rocky three starts a crazy jack because that's like starting after Rambo and Ship. Yeah, because Rambo probably started his oh yeah, his drug addictions yet first, but he's jacked in first play, and that's probably around Rocky three and Ship I never saw any of the Rocky movies in the theater. I don't think. I mean, he's gonna be worth like five hundred million, right, probably he's probably crushing right, like I thin think about all the iconic ship Yeah, all these are crazy inaccurate, but will be an idea. I did see First Blood in theater really, Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Like I watched the first of the new ones. Yeah, I can't remember where they were. It looked like maybe Vietnam. He goes back, Yeah, when they started redoing him again, like in the late two thousands. Yeah, I never saw that either.

37:17 They do say about five hundred mili, you're right, but who knows how. I feel like he's just more because he's making like fifty mili movie. Think about the fucking checks that are coming in for every time TNT plays Rocky and he probably owns full rights. Yeah, I think I don't know does he have his rights to the Rocky character? I wonder if I wonder what relationship he has from like royalties or whatever. For the Creed movies. I know we produced one, he's in one, but I think he'll produce his in two. Yeah, he's in one and two, but he's not in three. Yeah, I just assume those checks are fat. They just they basically wrote him out of three because he it wasn't the movie he wanted them to do. He wanted to like get in and write the script again.

37:57 And they're like, No. One and two is John Singleton, Right? Yeah? I think so. Yeah, like Boys in the Hood, No Boys in the Hood, Fruitvale Station. Yeah, it doesn't really the storyline. Yeah, it's a new gen the culture. They did try to switch the culture up, which is modern day boxing. Yeah, they went into the culture of modern day boxing with the kind of the Mike Tyson vibe. Yeah, that era of nineties boxing did become a little bit different, and they I think they hit it pretty good. Yeah. I mean he's you know, he's Italian, but he's kind of just a white guy, right, Like if you look at boxing right now, you're looking at mostly a Hispanic and African American, Like are the kind of like what are the guys that are fighting the most besides the fury? But even in some like white Italian guy telling that story. Yeah, even even towards the end of Rockies, they do switch the vibe a little a little bit, right, like he's got the robot, he's got the Rariri. He's all dressed nice, his hair is fucking safe. The robot really so good. It's literally like a servant robot. Of course that's good. Who wrote that? And then it goes out and yeah, it's like the white pick of fence manchain.

39:01 He's got a Rari in the red Rari in the driveway. He's a prize fighter. Yeah, that's the thing. They showed that he's made it now, you know. That's the thing about Creed three, Like he has a ridiculous amount of wealth. It's it's it's like strange credulity. How how boxing's like that though, Like those guys are rich. That makes stupid money they make anything, like yeah, it's like Goano I think made like a hundred mil on that fight. Yeah he did. Yeah, Like it's actually stupid. Even like the last like kind of fight was one hundred mili plus. Yeah, and that's like that's every fight for him. Yeah, if you're a mid level guy. You're not mid you got to be near the top. But you're making twenty MILLI fight, Yeah, just a fight, let alone win knockout. Now you're at one hundred and fifty milis so now they do pay a ton of people. True, but yeah, and there's way more boxers because this argument comes up a lot with UFC. There's just way more boxers. If you take what you qualify as a pro boxer, right, there's probably one hundred thousand of them yea worldwide. So yeah, it's still the top five percent are making all the money. There's pro boxers fighting for two thousand dollars or the UFC there's not you know, there's only a certain amount. Has anybody ever made a hundred or like what is that?

40:13 How many figures is that? Nine? Yeah? Or whatever? Nine figures new in UFC? I don't probably McGregor hiss through his career, but yeah, one fight, No, he is big as probably like ten mil or something making that up, but yeah, it's much. So it's like, how is that even possible? Because we know that way more people are watching UFC three hundred then can help? Maybe not? Maybe not. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know the pay per view numbers because they're probably skewed like everything else right there, we're gonna lie to make it look good. I think the argument comes with the U. The fighters need the UFC more than the UFC needs the fighter because they can build celebrities, which they've proven. They prove the right. The Max Holloway is the celebrity now the Sugar Sugar shown right. They build celebrities everywhere and they have historically BJ Penns and the Chuck Ladals like they're really good at that. Where boxing it is on you and your team. Yeah, and they mentioned that in this movie, right, Creeds has his promoter, Like there's the promoter position, which Dana White you could argue is the best in the history of the world. Yeah. Right, So you're gonna go want to go fight for him for less and there's just not the other leagues. You're getting paid less, you know, it's just not the show. Yeah. Is this fair? I don't know, but he's kind of keeping by him keeping his prices where they are. It's also keeping all the people behind him even lower, right unless yeah, because they I mean we joked about it in another podcast, but the amount of sponsors on a UFC now is insane. There's like thirty six sponsors just on the octagon. Yeah, And I said that, and then I watched three h two when I was counting, and there's literally like four per quarter per octie, you know, there's like one,

41:45 two, three, and then two on the sidebars, like they're literally a poster board of advertising that are each paying who knows how many million to get there. Yeah. Yeah, that whole UFC thing versus boxing is interesting to me. It's like, yeah, I don't know who's Like you would assume that more people watch Chandler and McGregor right over Canelo and whoever else for sure, But I guess international twenty times the money. International might not be like UFC still might be very like American Brazilian where like, yeah, Latin America's probably all on the boxing. Europe that Europe's try all in the boxing. Asia maybe a mix because they had Pride and they have what is it now?

42:27 I watched that they kind of have their own Pride League one. I think it's Quit one. One does everything that wants j jitsu, which I think is smart. It's fun to watch because it will be like three MMA fights, one grappling match, which UFC is doing now too right. They're doing them separate, but they're doing all these high level grappling matches and paying those guys more money than they've ever made if they don't have a bitch slap League. Uh, they got the bitch slap League and they have the one that you're right had just fought in. Is it combat jiu jitsu? I think it's combat jiu jitsu where you're allowed to bitch slap. You ever seen that in jiu jitsu? Oh? Yeah, I think it's called combat. Google you got to Google open some look up a combat jiu jitsu. I think it's called or combat grappling. I remember Dana White specifically on a podcast saying that he opened slap League. Was on THEO vonn He basically said, like, yeah, we bought slap League just to go viral and to sell the viral basically the virality of it for sponsorships, right, And they're like, what's more viral than these videos on Instagram someone getting knocked out from a slap yep, and then all the sponsors that are attached to that, like, we just cashing out. Basically said like he bought slap League to just mark go viral with these viral clips and sell advertising. I don't think we've talked about it yet, but I'm gonna go UFC International Fight Week, which is due in the sphere June twenty eighth, that's in September. But Fight Week, they've done a partnership with Powerlifting America, which is our newest powerlifting federation, and they're doing a meet at International Fight Week. Oh weird.

43:46 Yeah, I'm gonna go see what there's something's going on, so like it might be the same idea what you got. It's it looks like a mixture of like UFC and just like grappling. Is it called combat jiu jitsu? Do combat grappling? Combat grappling? I had just foughten it, uh, and yeah you're allowed to like, did you win? No? I think he lost. He lost to uh Gordon Ryan Gordon's brother whom we met, Josh Gordon. Uh No, that's the n A couple of the NBA player what's his name, Nicky Nicky Nicky Ryan nick and Ryan Yeah, yeah, who trains with Nicky Rod and all them. Those guys are making like fifty K for a grapple. I think that's when uh, and you can probably knock out a way more of those a year because you're not getting like head trauma. No, when you're grappling. Yeah, those dudes could compete almost monthly. Yeah, you compete every month, Yeah they could, grant hi mind, they compete often. Maybe not the combat one because I think you can straight like open, yeah you're like full yeat somebody which could suck you up. But it was cool to see your eyea do it and and yeah, so like Gordon Ryan is like beyond the mj of grappling. There's not even an argument right now. And that's his little brother who fought you're right, jeez, Yeah, who's a savage in this jiu jitsu grappling or like wrestling or like what all of it. So what I've come to learn, which I've never done any of myself. I just have all these friends in it. Is the cool thing about jiu jitsu, at least in my opinion, is all the rules are very ambiguous, so it's by tournament, you know, so some may end up looking a little bit more like That's why they just call it grappling now, you know, like broad Yeah, because one style it's like, oh, this guy's got to make sure wrestling Julian

45:19 jiu jitsu, and the competition will light that up. So to be like, oh, all right, this one. There's only a fifteen minute one round and you can only submit to win or this one. Takedowns are worth X amount X amount. Like the rules differ from tourney to tourney a little bit. I guess I crossed it in a way, but more guided. Obviously, it's still around wrestling, but that's why they call it that, and that's why there's combat grappling in eighty c C, which is this year, which is like the World Cup of Grappling is happening in Vegas, and that's a certain rule set and some guys like it, some guys don't. UFC has their own rule sets that some guys like. Some guys don't. Sound like big Grappling, Big grappling fan, huge fan we hung out with kind of like the Kobe Bryant of the sport two years ago, me and sebas and one. He was just super cool in the school team to beat.

46:07 It's just fun to watch that. I understand just enough to like watching it. We're like, yeah, you're gonna choke me out. I don't know what the fuck I'm actually doing, but I like to like you and of what you have sea since twenty ten. Yeah, so you like start to just pick up on some shit and look at that, Yeah, I look at that fucking real naked choke. Yeah where if you don't joke, Yeah, it looks boring and they're just cuddling down there. But you start to realize they're playing hand games and shit and the athleticism that I know they have. You know, like our buddy Nicki Rod is just a freak athlete six two two twenty natty doing backflips, deadlifting six hundred, you know, you just do it all. He's just a freak. And so that's cool to see them kind of get some shine in their sport and they're just fun guys like the jiu jitsu crowd is known for like chill Brosah and my heads.

46:53 Yeah. The Beat team we hung out with are just like Frapp, Like they're just having a good time. They're joking, they're joking on themselves. They're called the B Team because they left Ryan Gordon, who's the best of all time, and everyone called them like, oh you're the shitty ones, You're the B team, and so they just labeled themselves the B Team now like joking like they don't give a fuck that's good. Yeah, I like it. I like that they're the Rockies, The Rockies, the Rocky. There was that one part in The Rocky that when he was running back to Mick where he looked pretty beefy. Yeah, when he's remember he was chasing him back in the street to say sorry to him. I'm like, his back looked huge. Yeah, he's probably like a Bucks seventy five ten, you know, like he's he's a decent sized dude. He looks natty.

47:35 I mean he is natty, but he's like five six or five seven. He's always in that scene when he was running to Mickey, the massive six or four because everyone always said that about Sly and always said that about Arnold, but like Arnold was clearly over six foot. But the fact when I see Arnold at the Arnold, he looked like he was shorter than me. That's what everyone always says. But I don't swear he is now. I think, yeah, maybe I seventy five years old. We've been in the same place as Stallone. I don't know if as the Arnold for sure. I know I've been around him, but I haven't been that close to him. Is he supposed to be pretty sure. I've heard both. Yeah, but who knows what car Weathers is a tall motherfucker. Yeah, I think so. He's taller than Tom Cris, but not my mind. He looked Yeah, I mean Google has him at five to ten. But I've heard both. Yeah, I've heard people say like massive and Rocky one.

48:20 He looks tall. He looks six two six three. Let's se him next to some folks. This is a decent if. Uh, if Arnold was six six one, he could be five nine Yeah, five nine, five ten, five nine five eight makes sense. Yeah, maybe before they shrunk. Yeah, that's true. They're both probably late forties here, and there's a ship ton of they do a movie together, ever expendables. Maybe that is all that in there. They just like they probably made a lot of money to talk about. Just like a missed opportunity though, just getting them like head to head in one movie, Yeah, in one good movie. Yeah are ore BC movies, they're not. They're not Bruce good yeah man, too bad for Bruce. I know it's right, like, uh, just like a head to head villain good guy movie. Yeah, and you don't when you don't know who We're gonna write it right now, Yeah, say they're both good guys, or we don't know who's the villain and who's the bad guy till the end. Maybe they're both. Maybe they're both good guys and they're trying so hard to be the best guy that one of them has to turn a little bit. Yeah, like they have to start to create crime to save crime. Yeah, and then they realize at the end that they're both good and then the sequel is them like teaming up to then take down real bad guys. Yeah, maybe we tie tie in like a Jingle All the Way, which is arguably Arnold's best movie. I would say it is. It's really good. Put that cookie down. It's really good.

49:42 I rewatched it over Christmas time, and Jingle all the Way might be his best acting. You're in my house eating my cookies with sinbad, you know. Yeah, and the fucking Bill Hartman, the raping neighbor Phil Hartman, Dude, r I P. He's a Hartman was so good in that. Yeah, he was really good. He was really good. He's answering the phone rattic making cookies. Dude. It's so funny. So if you believe, okay, if you believe this, Willis is supposed to be six feet and then that picture he and Saloon looked at the same height. Salon is is listed at five ten. You're right, Uh yeah, he could be five ten and if Arnold six one. Yeah. They're all slouchy and not their youngest age. Yeah. Carl Weathers is sixty five, Dolph Lends six six two, Dolph six five. That's uh Drago, Yeah, oh here it is here, it is here, it is. There's Drogo because he's inexpendables. Remember they put Drago in the Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Uh, he was like he was the actor in the movies they always talked about that was a fake movie that they always would go see. I haven't watched him any What was it called Homi's supposed to be short too? Uh?

50:55 Blade Wesley Snipes, I've heard for getting a new blade. Oh yeah, I think it's right. Marshall Allie. Yeah, he looks sick too. He looks good in like the in the picture. I saw. This is five eight in a quarter take on Google first first stallone celeb heights dot com. Nice, I'm gonna put my own in there. So the the the singing group at the beginning of the movie over the opening credits, the guy actually singing the lead. Oh yeah, that's Frank Stallone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then this the guy that comes out of the shadows and then walks past them. Yeah. Later in the movie, that's also Frank Stallone him paid, Yeah he did, he did. Yeah. Yeah, when he's like, uh, what do you say to him? Like what are you doing here? Get out of here? Whatever something like that.

51:52 Yeah, yeah, Frank Stalone Stallone. Apparently I did not look this up. In Italian means stallion, so that's where an Italian stallion predates Rocky. Yeah, and when there's Rocky Marciano, which was just before that. Yeah, he kind of started stealing shit from everywhere. Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. But it's it is weird that the name Italian stallion is the thing that that clicks it for for Creed to decide he wants to fight him. That whole thing is just a weird setup too. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird how the Italians found in America. Yeah, it's so random. Well, yeah, it's on your outdated history. I do think that's the tie in the why it was such a big thing with my childhood and my family because my uncle is an Italian immigrant and was a pro boxer.

52:39 He's a Boxing Hall of Fame and he didn't go by Italian Stallion although he should have, although it was previous, it was in the I think he was born in like nineteen ten, so he's probably fighting in the twenties, thirties, forties. Yeah, but I think that's why it was such a lock in for my dad, Yeah, to just like grow up the whole time being an Italian Stallion fan. Even as a kid, I couldn't quite differentiate if it was if he was a real boxer, you know, like I didn't know what was going on. I thought maybe it was a story about a boxer. So my dad was on the art. Like you know, there was almost like this like you either liked the Arnolder he liked It. Was kind of like there was like this not for everybody. For a lot of you'd like one of the other. My dad was always like an Arnold fan, So I grew up like with the Terminator movies, my dad never my dad actually kind of hated stillone. Yeah, he was like Chupac Biggie thing. You could be a fan of both, but a lot of people chose to say He did not like Stallone at all, so he'd never like he saw the first Rocky winever, but he didn't like you and any of it. He didn't like the Box. He thought it was looked fake. My dad was like a diehard boxing fan, yeah, and it is. And he hated the Stallone stuff. So that's why I never watched it till like later on, you know, like pieces of it and then like sitting down watching the whole thing through. Arnold seemed to do more too, Like when he chose movies, Arnold just went in and started ripping out movies. Slighted it some for sure, But my dad hated the Rambo like all that. She didn't like any of that. Well overkill, he called it overkill, Like, well you liked the Arnold Yeah yeah, Commando Yeah, yeah, they're literally the same movie. Yeah. Particularly early on, was more interested in acting than he was in producing and all and all of that, whereas Stalloon came in as an actor, writer, director, all

54:10 that kind of stuff. And he he, I mean, he made fewer of the of the movies during that time because he was trying to he was starting to have control. Yeah, maybe he was an artist more of an artist's mind, and Arnold was just a business mind, I think, but by the time the Creed stuff came around, he was a hack. But yeah, but early on he he was like, there's the scene before in the night before the fight, when Rocky has gone out, he went to the auditorium. He has that that conversation with the with the ring announcer dude who's he's just kind of like looking around. Yeah, and then he comes back and I don't know, in the middle of the night checking audio check one check, one check check, And he comes back and has that conversation with Age in in bed when he says, I can't do it, I can't beat him. All that stuff. That scene was not originally in the movie, and they had run basically were out of budget, and so he wrote that scene and they gave him one take to do it, so he had to just rip it. Interesting, and I think the movie doesn't work as well if you don't know that all he's trying to do is is the distance? Yeah? Interesting. Yeah, that is a kind of a turn that kind of needs that part. Yeah, because otherwise the whole thing it already doesn't matter because the underdog fight seems wild in the stretched she was an Italian American for the pride of patriots. Yeah, and then for him to

55:40 not believe in himself. Yeah, you need like an ounce that he's semi confident he could do something special, Yeah, which would be last Yeah, which is true, right, Like he's kind of not a pro boxer, and he's going against the world good champ. Yeah, Yeah, he's fighting in little like halls and spoiler alert, gambling going on spoiler alert Rocky too, he becomes a champ. He fucking knocks his ass out, he wins. And then how many years after does Rocky two take place? Two or three? It's pretty tight. And then and then Rocky three. I think all the movies are even two or three years apart the first three. Yeah. Close. I think that that Rocky two almost immediately follows the story wise, maybe yeah, yeah, I think it's two or three years in production, but maybe in the story it's pretty damn immediate. Yeah. And then three or four they're running on the beach, half naked together, doing the bro shite, training out short shorts, dancing in the tide pools. That's right. I saw someone reference that it's kind running in the sand like Rocky like like after we watch this like it was like this morning, it's a really good montage. The montages do end up getting better and better by Rocky four. I mean that montage is modern day magic and five is all montage, right yeah, yeah, which I like that Creed to Creed. There's some sick montages. Yeah, they do, like some Olympic weight thing in five. Yeah all that, yeah yeah yeah, and in the lab the Russian. Yeah, we didn't get to see Apollo train in Rocky one.

56:59 That's where they missed out. No, yeah, we did. Like I said, he's barely a character and is barely a character, so a lot of people that are barely in it. And then we get way too much of his best friend. That's just Rocky and Poulah. Yeah the whole movie. That guy what a walk ord duo to like walks around with just full bottles of booze in his pocket at all times. Yeah, they don't even like see like friends, you get no chemistry. Well, they just grew up in the neighborhood again. Yeah, that's it. They're the only ones that lasted in the neighborhood. Everyone else left. Rocky has no family. Yeah, he's got nothing, calling that twelve year old girl a whrror. Yeah, that was weird, ripped the cigarette out of her mouth, and then ten seconds later he's ripping sick of training. They don't want to be known as a whole. That was another really shocking thing about it, Just all the smoking that he does. Yeah, I means the era, right, Yeah, I guess, but like I mean that that is the I'm not maybe not a serious athlete kind of Yeah, maybe that's part of it.

57:49 Yeah, maybe that's echoing mix. Also, the most famous line from this movie ever women weakened legs, women legs. Yeah, he said not not right now, she's on her knees, begging for a kiss, begging for some rocky cock. She's literally on her knees, shoving her off the chair. Then he goes and apologizing. He's such a like like a like a what's it called narcissist kind of Yeah, he's just kind of like, you know, he's about himself for sure. Guy, he's so selfish. But then also like he's a womanizer. He's a womanizer. He's kind of like sociopath vibes, kind of like manipulating this woman. Yeah, personal game just to get the dog. Spoiler alert, too, he gets all about the dog so we can run with the dog. Yeah, he gets the dog. In Rocky too, I sold you those turtles. Yeah, I know I sold them to you. I think the most unhinged scene in the whole thing is is when Polly takes the baseball bat to his own fucking apartment, goes ape shots like why are you doing that? Like freaking what are you proving? And what are you so mad? Like your sister literally fucking baby sits you. I mean he's drunk, but like he doesn't really have he doesn't have a complaint that is legitimate. He's just mad because he's a piece of ship. He blames her for not getting married. Yeah, he blames her. It's like, you have you look at your buddy. I don't know what where was he doing staring in that mirror combing his hair for like an hour when he's talking to Rocky in that on the barken mirror.

59:22 When we first meet him, he's a little into himself too, I think, Man, what's our rating? Oh cold and gloves right or some ship? No cut eyelids? Man? Oh that one's good. He said, I know I'm going to see you just cut it, cut me, cut the bubble gum. They just put on their eyes, but make him look swollen and for the special effect. You're not the best special What was that swollen eyes? Okay? You know what. I it's hard for me to judge because I've seen the other Rockies and I do think progressively they actually get better, although without this one you can't have the other right exactly, so that taking into account, this might be my highest rating ever. I might give it like a four point five Rockies it, you know, like as many movies I had gone back to, even Star Wars, which I'm a huge fan of, sometimes they'll feel you'll feel the era so much. And you definitely feel the era here, don't get me wrong, but there's some magic in the simplicity of the character and the movie. Like it's so streamline you don't have to think, but it still kind of captures you don't and then you kind of want to see Rocky too after this. The other movie that this one really reminds me of is Saturday Night Fever, says a little bit later, Yeah, but it's a similar like indie vibe movie, even like even like pulp fiction has like a similar vibe to this, you know that era does happen. Yeah, this this very streamlined story and you don't really know the plot, but it doesn't matter kind of two yeah, yeah, like the plot of pull fiction doesn't matter at all. No, you're just kind of following the guy's day, and here you're just kind of falling Rocky. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have no perception of time. When

1:00:52 you watch rock Now they're like, how long? How many days? Weeks? Was three hours? Or was this forty five years? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think it is supposed to be four months. Okay, yeah, you have no clue, three months something like that. Don't know. Well, it's it's before the day before Thanksgiving nineteen seventy five, and I think the fight is maybe in February, which is not much because they go through Christmas, they go through Thanksgiving. I guess there is some kind of they really actually I take that back, I guess you're ready to know, because like they really forced the holidays on you, so you know where you're at. Yeah, exactly exactly. The other thing I was just going to throw out is that my experience I didn't see this movie when it first came out but what my experience was the music. So I was in band in high school and we played Gotta flying out all the time in the hope that the football team would ever like win anything, you know, even make some kind of a touchdown some of them. Is this the most iconic movie song ever? I feel like it's gonna be in the conversation. Yeah, and the Tiger. Yeah. Star Wars was also Star Wars related. James Bond, James Bond, Star Wars. This was this made for the movie.

1:02:00 The score was it already? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh wow, yeah yeah, iconic as it gets. Don't like the Star Wars theme, don't rocky. It's been using every rap song ever like it's so good it is, and it doesn't They don't even fill it out in this one. They start to fill it out orchestraly and ate since as the movies progress, even in Creed, J. Cole spits a bar over like a new version of the song. It's so good, it's so iconic. Yeah, there's the one scene though, They're gonna fly now scene with all the lyrics that that's cringe. Yeah, the lyrics are cringe for sure. You need a little just to beat good in strong. That's a little rough.

1:02:43 What's more iconic for Rocky though? I either Tiger or the or the original song so insane. Yeah, it's like you can't. You can't separate the James Bond theme from all the original you know, themes for each movie, same way that you can't. Yeah, they're the same song, but not. Yeah, you can't separate Good Flying Out from any of the other one. I think I's heard the story of Ia the Tiger how it came about. So they were supposed to, i think, write a song for this movie, and they had to write three songs and they were gonna pick one, and they wrote two that they were like, oh, they're gonna for sure choose one of these two because these are like bangers and them and they and then they're like, well, we just got to make a third one just to feel the like what we were asked to do. So they banged that one out in like a couple hours, and it was The Tiger.

1:03:29 And that's the one that like, that's how that song like became iconic. It is so iconic. Yeah, it's so crazy story like that. We got to give them something a filler. Yeah, it's a hitter. Interesting story. My rating, I'll give it. I'll give it, you know, three and a half. It was. It was okay. I'm just I'm not like you like Arnold dudes. I'm an Arnold guy. I was kind of groomed to be an Arnold guy, you know. Stillone. It was fine. I thought it was, you know, it was watchable. You know. Obviously it's kind of long. From how streamline and how like bare Bones it was. It was kind of long. There's a lot of turtle scenes and ship, a lot of a lot of like walking from one side of the frame to the other, like on a like on a stationary camera. There's a lot of that. That's a that's a very seventies kind of true thirty five millimeter probably like what is that? Yeah, they're just trying to set the stage, but you don't really need to. There's nothing going on. And there's a lot just because they didn't have a lot of a lot of cast for this, there's a lot of scenes of Rocky talking to himself yeah yeah, and also just like grabbing that bouncing that racketball, yeah, or catching it and drill. Yeah. I always say that you can't diminish the fact that this set the template for what the Cinderella story.

1:04:42 Yeah, maybe every sport, every single element that you're ever gonna see in that kind of movie is in this movie. Yeah. They made montage to School. Yeah, they did everything. I probably gotta go. I probably gotta go. Four fair Cut Islands, even though and for its importance, necessarily for how much I enjoyed watching it, it was how much yeah significens and and how much I just was recognizing all of those things that have have have become the norm in that type of film. Yeah, my rating is not entertainment. That's the whole package. Yeah, I've seen more of them than I love. They do progressively, maybe get better, Like Rocky four. I think a lot of people say, is the best Rocky Like the Drago one. Yeah, that's the one I remember the most, But the other ones start to like, they're pretty good. I saw a Rocky Boboa the sixth one in the theater. Yeah it's not terrible. It's not terrible. Yeah, it's not like it's like last Yeah. Yeah, yeah before Creed. Yeah, but uh that movie and Creed they feel connected.

1:05:50 Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, which is probably why the bigger plan. Yeah, so Rocky I mean, Rocky fights in Rocky Boboa but and obviously doesn't fight but Cancer and Creed. But uh, it feels like the same character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he almost takes a new vibe to himself. Then you then the character creation is a thing thing. Yeah, like you know who Rocky Balboa is? Right? Yeah? Where this one? I'm still I don't know if he's funny. I don't know if he's not funny. I don't know if he's a bomb. I don't know if he's Yeah, who knows. Yeah, you don't really know yet. Knife collector, Yeah, murderer. We might have to do two yeah, or a Creed or bounce around with him or something. Yeah, well you probably could do a Creed right now. It would be a direct comparison because Creed's the same movie. It's just one. Yeah, or we go four Drago, Drago's epic Mister t is not bad. Two he wins. Yeah.

1:06:39 Five, we could probably leave out, but maybe maybe a two, A Drago or a Creed. I haven't seen Creed, so he's pretty good. Oh, you haven't seen Created is pretty good. Yeah, you'll get the vibe for sure. Yeah, I know, it's definitely back in Philly and the whole, the whole nine yards. But it's yeah, that's that's a really really good movie. Yeah. I think it's pretty good too. Yeah, it's it. You see them, you see the all the gears turning. I guess that is what I'm trying to say. And it's like it's all coming together towards something that that if Rocky had a budget right and it was established, Yeah, it would have been great. And that's what feels like I made in the two thousand. Yeah, like a good Rocky Yeah yeah, yeah, kind of forback of its term. Yeah, it's like the yeah, the modern take. Yeah, it's like a remake without it being like a direct remake. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's what Star Wars seven tried to do poorly. Yeah, Force Awakens. Yeah, yeah, it's like a remake, but it's a bad Star Wars did a bad version, Creed did a good version. Yeah, where mugs you're nostalgia strings, but it's still new and fresh. Yep, yep, you guys started. Nothing would get off of the side stories here. But have you watched the alcohol Ade it all yet? I've heard I watched the first one. They watched the first two. They released two. Yeah, my problem is I'm going to think it looks cool and it sounds interesting. I just don't know if I care. I'm running low on care. Well, I got my black belt in the High Republic era, like as far as like I read all I've read all the books in all the comics with ten thousands pages of this shit, and like this takes place like one hundred years

1:08:10 from like where the timeline is in there, yeah, before and there's like kind of one carryover character from that time, and obviously like Yoda's alive at this time. Still we don't. I haven't seen Yoda yet an ALCOHOLI but it's fine. My only problem with it is just like the media that they're running with it. It's just everything about it. It's like so like like the show's fine, but then like the other side of it, the marketing of it is like everything I've seen has been just about not the show. Yeah, That's what I've been And I'm just like, why does this have to even be a thing. Why can't we just talk about the show? I don't you can ever do that anything. I'm okay for like whatever, I don't give a shit, you know, Like I don't care. If it's good, it's good. If it's good, it's good. But then like all the people in it are just only talking about things outside of the show, and like that, I just don't and it's being forced in my feet because I'm interested in Star Wars. Yeah, yet everyone does make everything political, but it like I don't care. I don't even I wouldn't even have noticed this. Probably like I don't care, just like make the show good. Actually, I read a Reddit thread this morning talking about seamless handoffs enfranchises, and the Rocky Decreed is the one of the one of the most seamless handoffs ever. Star Wars has not done a good job with that kind They also just like all the behind the scenes drama and then it just gets everybody's just like trying to outdo somebody's but they thought someone did wrong, and then it makes it for a bad product. And that's kind of like I

1:09:41 feel like that's kind of continuous and Star Wars forever. It's like, oh, well, like we're gonna go the complete opposite of this because we want to be more this way. And then it's like, well then now it's this obvious. Now it's distracting. I think that the only decent thing that they've done, you know, since episode six is probably and Or, and that is a very specific audience. Yeah, and Door is great and fantastic. And I like Man Lori and Man Laurian. Yeah, Man Lauria got some run that's like you're like your popcorn that's your popcorn show, right, Like that's you're like that should be the branch off. Yeah, that's your popcorn in your face show. Then you got your niche like uh, Clorama like or right, Clone Wars, Clone Wars, all those are good and they're just bad Batch pretty separable. Yeah, it's old, last season bad, Okay, the worst shit ever. But it's Creed. Yeah yeah, seamless transitions, I got it. I need to watch Created. Yeah, we'll do that. I got a p hill a Ben all right, fire away name working up on you, oh you know at deanc Doores dot c K Capine Kilos for your coffee and lifting needs Boom, Sebastian Underscore, Brandilo on I g Ladies and Gentlemen. New episodes Wednesday and Friday. I'm not like where you go find me? Third Street, Barbeo tal come on, California I am at the j McDonald the social media to show that's fifty percent percent. Word of fifty is just under your fifty percent facts. It's just freafruit by podcast, It's just us next years